Is PETA just a front for Scientology? Let's look at the parallels shall we:
Seeks celebrity members/endorsements, Check!
Has a specific set of guidelines for living, including some very odd ones (not eating meat, are they foreign or something?), Check!
Against antibiotics use. Check!
Members think they are better than everyone else, Check!
Once the new PETA members sign up they will mistakenly receive some Hubbard pamphlets with their welcome package.
There you have it. Next year instead of the Thanksgiving table, the commercial will be shot with a hand held camcorder, in an operating room. A anesthetized Xenu will be laid out on the table.
@david: I agree, there's something about the mass production aspect that's impersonal - even cold. I'll always prefer shoot a bird in the wild and clean it myself if at all possible.
Big fucking deal. Everything that lives or has lived has poop in it. So do you, ya little brat. If you were my kid, I would've yanked your scrawny know-it-all ass away from the table within twenty seconds. No filming smarmy commercials at my table, missy!
Clearly NBC is a bunch of carnivores that don't support freedom of expression for vegetarians. CBS decided to run this commercial on the Early Show to support freedom of expression for vegetarians, though they (hypocritically) blurred out the image/audio of the little girl so as not to offend carnivorous sponsors/viewers so early in the morning. =)
(p.s. PETA may use questionable methods at times, but I don't see anyone else coming close to them in raising awareness - or in trying to fight the meat industry, who wields tremendous power in repeatedly blocking not only commercials but news reports. And yeah, factory farming is horrific for people & the environment as well as animals.)
@bodegacat: Oh, please. PETA raises awareness of PETA. People who are already inclined to agree with them think they're great, and the rest are forced, by PETA's obnoxiousness, into reactionary positions ("That's it, I'ma go make a deep-friend bacon cheeseburger now" etc).
@bodegacat: PETA are the worst thing that ever happened to the pro-veg movement. They're aggressively stupid. Their propaganda attempts to guilt-trip omnivores in the most contemptuous and basest ways. STFU, PETA, your vegan soy byproducts such as tofurky have a larger carbon imprint than any meatsicles. Factory farming is the devil's work, indeed, but don't you dare tell me that if I buy a lovingly free-range raised turkey at the local farmer market I'm evil. Life feeds on life, suckaz! Study history! Also, show me ONE person who got converted to vegetarianism because of PETA..
PS: I'm pretty lit at this point, so take everything I said with a boulder of salt.
@bodegacat: If PETA concentrated on the horrors of factory farming I'd be okay with them. When they spread leaflets telling me that my cats would possibly be better off in a shelter because they go outside, its a different matter. ETC
Hmmm... methinks the hormones pumped into all those factory farmed turkeys made folks a bit testy today! Everyone skipped to the "p.s." and...
Didn'tja see what i did in that first paragraph, with CBS and the Early Show and blurring out the image and...
oh, never mind. if we have enough food choices to be debating whether it should be veggie, pescetarian, carnivore, organic, farm or factory farm-raised, and a roof over our heads w/electricity, internet and computer or reasonable facsimile enough to be typing away to each other like this we are way ahead of the curve, which is something to be thkful for.
@snugbug: Thanks for that boulder of salt. I threw it over my left shoulder, and though the people behind me weren't too happy, I will have good luck 4eva.
@snugbug: of course I agree re supporting the local free-ranged turkey farmer, etc, etc, but the vast majority of people/restaurants/processed-food companies, etc aren't going to do that for whatever reason. So how do you affect change when the myriad abuses of factory farming are ravaging the health of people and the environment (and so people, again)?
My point is more how few organizations there are that have to some degree successfully, consistently stood up to or raised awareness re the vast monolithic corporate blocks that rule over us, be they meat, oil, agriculture/grains, Big Pharma, chemicals, etc.
Peeshaw. This sort of boring reaction to PETA that pretends you're some sort of jock asshole is ridiculous. It might seem shocking in Brooklyn (as your tag pointed out) but for those of us who live in (real) America, factory farming of animals is a big deal- destructive to family farms, poisonous to water and soul. And part of reforming factory farms is letting people know what they do, which this commercial (despite PETA's rampant idiocies) does. Wiki Sinclair Lewis.
@Rhubarbarism: The problem with this argument is that PETA clearly knows its audience, and it clearly knows the buttons it pushes when it puts out the vast majority of its ads. From time immemorial, they've taken this position of "If only they knew, then they would stop eating meat, so let's throw it all at the dolts and see if they wake up." Obviously this has not been effective. If they really wanted to make a difference, they wouldn't insult their audience and beseech them to change their ways at the same time. Of course, I've always felt a little bit like PETA's only real audience is vegetarians/vegans and current PETA supporters. Their ads and demonstrations always feel far more like they were made to preach to the choir than to actually woo support from meat-eaters.
Anyway, yeah. I eat ground up pork stuffed into intestines. I don't think that telling me my turkey has poop in it (what animal hasn't, at one point or another, had poop in it?) is going to dissuade me from eating it if I'm already inclined to do so.
I think Ravi hits it right on the head. PETA is sending out too many messages (reform factory farming, everybody stop eating meat, etc) for any of them to be effective, and it doesn't help that 95% of the time they are absolutely obnoxious. They seem to have taken sanctimoniousness to extremes not because it works, but because they know it's what people already think of them and they're too lazy to move beyond sophomoric, rabblerousing activism.
@Arken: I loved how the looks around the table devolved the further that Milo got into the description. "This turkey, who once nestled her young babies..."
@raincoaster: A bodega is a poor person's convenience store. It features ripped up linoleum and products in dusty cans, all of which are overpriced. There is usually a cat, a working cat.
How do I know this? There were several within walking distance of my grandparents' apartment.
Yes, um, the only people who should park their novel writing, You Tube fascinated, IM chatting, Facebook updating arse in a coffee shop all. freaking. day. are old people. Remember old people? You know those members of society who don't work anymore so they have to find creative ways to spend their days. And that might consist of thumping melons at the green grocer, arguing over bank statement passbook theft at the PNC, getting gratuitous bags of bread heels at the bakery for the pigeons/ducks/squirrels, after erratically dinging your car in the parking lot, and yes, sitting for three hours "shootin the shit" with "Larry, 25th infantry division" at the coffee shop over soft scrambled eggs , warm toast, Sanka, and half a grapefruit?
Yeah, they may snore softly, and make a fuss if you sit in "their seat" after they come out the john with a magazine, but you'll never hear excessive typing, an over-loud iPod, or a cell phone conversation about Brigadoon and Briar Patch's "epic break up" in Union Square park yesterday.
And I'd still get a seat at Cosi's so I can eat my yuppie Tandori chicken during the twelve minutes I have for lunch.
How could anyone possibly have a problem with bodegas? They don't like the fact that you can buy about two million other things with that cup of cafe con leche?
@Schadenfrau: Off my subway stop there are four bodegas (well, one is a green grocer) on each corner of the intersection. Then there's the bodega two storefronts down from another bodega. Not even Starbucks or Duane Reede's that bad.
Coffee shops have bright lighting, leatherette booths, and serve hamburgers, grilled cheese, and breakfast all day. They should be warmly welcomed. Neither of these sounds like a coffee shop.
11/27/09
Seeks celebrity members/endorsements, Check!
Has a specific set of guidelines for living, including some very odd ones (not eating meat, are they foreign or something?), Check!
Against antibiotics use. Check!
Members think they are better than everyone else, Check!
Once the new PETA members sign up they will mistakenly receive some Hubbard pamphlets with their welcome package.
There you have it. Next year instead of the Thanksgiving table, the commercial will be shot with a hand held camcorder, in an operating room. A anesthetized Xenu will be laid out on the table.
11/27/09
why are meat eaters such sensitive pussies
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#PETAmembersarebadinbed
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Want to get people to stop eating turkey? Just show them this picture.
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@Friedhamster: @CrayonSmoothie: If you think that turkey looks good, check out the one I made.
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(p.s. PETA may use questionable methods at times, but I don't see anyone else coming close to them in raising awareness - or in trying to fight the meat industry, who wields tremendous power in repeatedly blocking not only commercials but news reports. And yeah, factory farming is horrific for people & the environment as well as animals.)
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PS: I'm pretty lit at this point, so take everything I said with a boulder of salt.
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Hmmm... methinks the hormones pumped into all those factory farmed turkeys made folks a bit testy today! Everyone skipped to the "p.s." and...
Didn'tja see what i did in that first paragraph, with CBS and the Early Show and blurring out the image and...
oh, never mind. if we have enough food choices to be debating whether it should be veggie, pescetarian, carnivore, organic, farm or factory farm-raised, and a roof over our heads w/electricity, internet and computer or reasonable facsimile enough to be typing away to each other like this we are way ahead of the curve, which is something to be thkful for.
happy thksgiving to all.
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@Friedhamster: with respect, i'm quite sure there is no vegetarian on earth as bad as a pile of whining Pratts.
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My point is more how few organizations there are that have to some degree successfully, consistently stood up to or raised awareness re the vast monolithic corporate blocks that rule over us, be they meat, oil, agriculture/grains, Big Pharma, chemicals, etc.
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Anyway, yeah. I eat ground up pork stuffed into intestines. I don't think that telling me my turkey has poop in it (what animal hasn't, at one point or another, had poop in it?) is going to dissuade me from eating it if I'm already inclined to do so.
I think Ravi hits it right on the head. PETA is sending out too many messages (reform factory farming, everybody stop eating meat, etc) for any of them to be effective, and it doesn't help that 95% of the time they are absolutely obnoxious. They seem to have taken sanctimoniousness to extremes not because it works, but because they know it's what people already think of them and they're too lazy to move beyond sophomoric, rabblerousing activism.
11/26/09
Yes, two days ago on Gawker.TV: [tv.gawker.com]
That said, I hate PETA enough that I don't mind a second opportunity to talk shit about them.
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How do I know this? There were several within walking distance of my grandparents' apartment.
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Yes, um, the only people who should park their novel writing, You Tube fascinated, IM chatting, Facebook updating arse in a coffee shop all. freaking. day. are old people. Remember old people? You know those members of society who don't work anymore so they have to find creative ways to spend their days. And that might consist of thumping melons at the green grocer, arguing over bank statement passbook theft at the PNC, getting gratuitous bags of bread heels at the bakery for the pigeons/ducks/squirrels, after erratically dinging your car in the parking lot, and yes, sitting for three hours "shootin the shit" with "Larry, 25th infantry division" at the coffee shop over soft scrambled eggs , warm toast, Sanka, and half a grapefruit?
Yeah, they may snore softly, and make a fuss if you sit in "their seat" after they come out the john with a magazine, but you'll never hear excessive typing, an over-loud iPod, or a cell phone conversation about Brigadoon and Briar Patch's "epic break up" in Union Square park yesterday.
And I'd still get a seat at Cosi's so I can eat my yuppie Tandori chicken during the twelve minutes I have for lunch.
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