Married women tend to vote the same way as their partner, single women usually vote the same way as their parents (father). Giving women the right to vote meant that all of the stupid reasons that men vote the way they do were doubled.
Just how many times can someone use the words "myself," "my", "me" and "I"? I think Thiel sets a world record for the highest proportion of self-referential statements in an essay. And coming from a libertarain CATO institute type, that's saying something.
Thiel is correct in his assertions that there is a correlation between giving women the vote and a decline in governance. How can anyone seriously doubt that when the pool of voters increases so does the dive to the bottom. Politics is all about appealing to the LCD; only a fool would pretend otherwise. Voting has gone from a special right, and Presidents like Washington and Jefferson, to a token event and Presidents like Bush and Obama. You people miss the point entirely: once something goes from the exclusive to the prole, all bets of glory are off!
@FrederickAtlas (?????): How can anyone seriously doubt that when the pool of voters increases so does the dive to the bottom.
That's easy. If you assume that the distribution of intelligence is the same across both the old voter population (male) and the new voter population (female), then there's no reason to believe voter "quality" should go down when expanding voting rights.
Wow, you are completely ill-prepared for such conversation. The debate does not center on IQ, however, if it did men would likely come out better than women. Check La Griffe or Linda Gottfredson for the data. Men and women differ significantly in many areas of cognition. The data does not favor an assumption of "sameness;" only ignorance or weakness could make any learned human suggest men and women are of same mind.
Voting and governance are more about self-control and obligation to greater truth than about IQ. When voting was reserved for land-owning white males, rules and expectations could be developed and followed to some limited extent.
Rules for political debate could be better followed and adhered. As the pool of voters increased, the ability to enforce in-group norming naturally decreased. The greater the voting population, the greater the anonymity and the lower the sense of mission and obligation. Moreover, when anyone is able to vote, politicians are better able to exploit individual weakness by appealing to financial or emotional means. Women undoubtedly have played a large role in the backhandedness and emotionality that now permeates politics.
A lot of people want to believe. Too bad the dream is bull.
I think he's just understandably frustrated with the US government being used as a "redistribution" mechanism to take away private property from some who have earned it and redistribute it to the masses, most of whom work nowhere near as hard as Peter probably has.
Now it makes sense to me as to why he wants to essentially start his own country in the sea.
I don't think he's saying the women shouldn't get to vote, that just they tend to use their vote (as a group) to take more of his money. Sadly, a flat tax isn't yet in the Bill of Rights.
Things are getting crazy for guys like Peter though. For every dollar a company of his earns and he wants to leave to his family he has to make about $5!!!:
38% Corporate Profit Taxes
38% Income Tax
45% Estate Tax
and that's not counting 15% payroll taxes on a large chunk of revenues.
And when the government is taking like 80% of what you make in your life...well, I think that's understandably disheartening, which was the real focus of his article.
Sorry, but hedge fund principals pay the capital gains tax rate on the bulk of earnings, ~15%. And Estate taxes are mainly for the plebes. The rest of us do estate planning and shelter millions from the long arm of the IRS...
@shantidevi: The US pays the lowest taxes of any industrial nation, that is the bloody fact. The mere idea of returning to Clinton-era levels sends these greedheads into a frenzy of self pity that's most unseemly. And all the gnashing and crying and threatening to hold their breath has moved no one. Go see what the taxation rates are in European countries, -but at least that money goes to improve everyone's lives. But no, these sorts- they want all of it- absolute piggishness, screaming about socialism. A sociopathic disregard for the state of the nation around them. When it's the nation that gives them the safety, infrastructure, roads, hospitals, airports, police that allows them to make their billions. But it's not enough. They just want to take take take. In nature, they're called parasites. here they're given Op-Ed pages to cry about their plight, shamelessly.
@BenFremer: "For every dollar a company of his earns and he wants to leave to his family he has to make about $5!!!"
I'm sorry but this struck me as amusing. Would I be less inclined to sympathize with him if he planned to spend the money on strippers rather than leave it "to his family"?
@Baroness: Saying the people paying high taxes on hard work are parasites on the people who pay none just doesn't make sense.
Demonizing people who pull themselves up by their bootstraps for doing so is also silly. Europe is getting messed up, too...I wouldn't consider it a shining example. Maybe Europe's demonizing of extremely hard-working entrepreneurs is why Silicon Valley is as dominant as it is on the tech scene compared to Europe.
Flat taxes is different from just changing the top tax bracket, and I don't think that richest benefit in a non-linear manner from the state, but from their hard work. Without a flat-tax, I think it's fair to argue the right to property is greatly infringed and democracy flawed. If anything can be considered "greedheaded", disproportionately shaking down a minority for their money through control of the government might as well be.
For the record, I work like 100 hours per week, building an extremely bootstrapped business for the past 5 years and intend to cross over eventually to a better economic situation through my own hard work. I live on very little in the meantime, so it's not like I'm some hypocrite who can't relate to whole economic spectrum here. America is great in that almost all of us can become rich like Peter through hard work and we should celebrate instead of demonize that.
Um, sorry to break it to you, Thiel, but the world wasn't all hunky-dorey before the 1920s. Trust, I've been studying for my Women in European History exam for the last three days. So sorry if I'm lacking sympathy for you and your fellow coked-out Libertarian money jockeys.
@bittergreen: Just from the snippet Owen included I would bet that is the case. I know no more about this guy than I've read right here at Gawker. But if he is actually a either a libertarian or and Objectivist (maybe these assumptions ought to be questioned first) it is inconceivable that he would be either racist or sexist as both points of view are an anathema to the respective philosophies.
I would also point out that TRENDS can be more worth studying than current status. Some of the most outspoken and effective people who are considered libertarians, Objectivest and so on (Ayn Rand WAS a woman after all) are either female, minorities, or both.
Democrats, and the media have done a good job of convincing many people (no need to specify what type of people they are) that Democratic quick-fix solutions are in their best interest. "Guaranteed me a job NOW, an optional-pay mortgage NOW, free healthcare NOW." It even sounds good to me until I start thinking about who will pay for it, and who's sweat-equity will be involved. Frankly I'm much less inclined to go to a doctor who is payed the wages of a clerical worker. Anything that is free for very long eventually becomes worth what you pay for it. By the time the electorate figures out what has happened to them the country will be run by organized crime (to the extent that they a
@macbeach: I'm not trying to be snarky, but could you list some of these outspoken female and minority libertarians? Every libertarian I've met/read has been a white dude.
@macbeach: Ayn Rand absolutely loathed other women. "Objectivists" - they're about on the same level as "Trekkies" to me, except the latter aren't half as geekily pretentious.
And that mess of a last para: you speak of Democrat efforts as "quick-fix solutions". Please provide the Republican and/or Objectivist (lol) solutions to what is actually an urgent, pressing problem: preventing collapse of the economy. No, don't actually, they're the prescriptions that got us into this disaster. The rest of your caricature of "demanding" jobs and affordable health care is contemptible and unworthy of comment. Verbatim right-wing radio mockery of the real suffering going on.
What a coincidence! I too believe that women shouldn't be able to vote. Great minds think alike!
Of course I'm completely drunk and high as a kite right now. Oh look, there's a pretty, rainbow-colored pig flying outside my window and he wants me to join him.
The phrase "Facebook backer" told me all I needed to know about him, really. That place has really kind of turned into a pit. I know some people use it to keep track of their families but so many people are allowed to have free reign on there when they really shouldn't be.
I am a libertarian and detest the nagging of our federal gov't as well. Not all libertarians have penises.
I love how he rationalizes his apparent proclivity to over imbibe alcohol and use drugs. Brilliant libertarians undertake "heroic drinking." I drink because I am smart. Way to kill brain cells, you tool.
@momof3wildkids: This is why drinking should be banned. Drinking is murder! Make a few placards with gruesome photos of dead brain cells and you'll have yourself a protest.
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I am neither Republican or Democrat and I would never follow in my father's footsteps of worshipping Fox News.
And I didn't realize that "parents" equalled "father." Thanks for clearing that up. I'll be sure to tell my mom that.
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This guy is some pretentious douche. Just like celebs deal in politics, rich guys do too.
I suppose they do have a bit of power. Especially since they are IWM (Idiots wielding money).
Facebook is gonna be a ghost town kids. Move out.
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I say we give him a billion dollars!
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Jeff
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That's easy. If you assume that the distribution of intelligence is the same across both the old voter population (male) and the new voter population (female), then there's no reason to believe voter "quality" should go down when expanding voting rights.
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Voting and governance are more about self-control and obligation to greater truth than about IQ. When voting was reserved for land-owning white males, rules and expectations could be developed and followed to some limited extent.
Rules for political debate could be better followed and adhered. As the pool of voters increased, the ability to enforce in-group norming naturally decreased. The greater the voting population, the greater the anonymity and the lower the sense of mission and obligation. Moreover, when anyone is able to vote, politicians are better able to exploit individual weakness by appealing to financial or emotional means. Women undoubtedly have played a large role in the backhandedness and emotionality that now permeates politics.
A lot of people want to believe. Too bad the dream is bull.
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Now it makes sense to me as to why he wants to essentially start his own country in the sea.
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Things are getting crazy for guys like Peter though. For every dollar a company of his earns and he wants to leave to his family he has to make about $5!!!:
38% Corporate Profit Taxes
38% Income Tax
45% Estate Tax
and that's not counting 15% payroll taxes on a large chunk of revenues.
And when the government is taking like 80% of what you make in your life...well, I think that's understandably disheartening, which was the real focus of his article.
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Haha, 80% taxes?! What a quaint notion.
Sorry, but hedge fund principals pay the capital gains tax rate on the bulk of earnings, ~15%. And Estate taxes are mainly for the plebes. The rest of us do estate planning and shelter millions from the long arm of the IRS...
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I'm sorry but this struck me as amusing. Would I be less inclined to sympathize with him if he planned to spend the money on strippers rather than leave it "to his family"?
I really don't sympathize in either case.
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Demonizing people who pull themselves up by their bootstraps for doing so is also silly. Europe is getting messed up, too...I wouldn't consider it a shining example. Maybe Europe's demonizing of extremely hard-working entrepreneurs is why Silicon Valley is as dominant as it is on the tech scene compared to Europe.
Flat taxes is different from just changing the top tax bracket, and I don't think that richest benefit in a non-linear manner from the state, but from their hard work. Without a flat-tax, I think it's fair to argue the right to property is greatly infringed and democracy flawed. If anything can be considered "greedheaded", disproportionately shaking down a minority for their money through control of the government might as well be.
For the record, I work like 100 hours per week, building an extremely bootstrapped business for the past 5 years and intend to cross over eventually to a better economic situation through my own hard work. I live on very little in the meantime, so it's not like I'm some hypocrite who can't relate to whole economic spectrum here. America is great in that almost all of us can become rich like Peter through hard work and we should celebrate instead of demonize that.
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Really, did anyone take that as an argument against women's right to vote.
Would someone making the remark, "Republicans have a tough time with gaining the votes of African Americans" be called a rascist?
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I would also point out that TRENDS can be more worth studying than current status. Some of the most outspoken and effective people who are considered libertarians, Objectivest and so on (Ayn Rand WAS a woman after all) are either female, minorities, or both.
Democrats, and the media have done a good job of convincing many people (no need to specify what type of people they are) that Democratic quick-fix solutions are in their best interest. "Guaranteed me a job NOW, an optional-pay mortgage NOW, free healthcare NOW." It even sounds good to me until I start thinking about who will pay for it, and who's sweat-equity will be involved. Frankly I'm much less inclined to go to a doctor who is payed the wages of a clerical worker. Anything that is free for very long eventually becomes worth what you pay for it. By the time the electorate figures out what has happened to them the country will be run by organized crime (to the extent that they a
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I swear I typed it the first time.
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And that mess of a last para: you speak of Democrat efforts as "quick-fix solutions". Please provide the Republican and/or Objectivist (lol) solutions to what is actually an urgent, pressing problem: preventing collapse of the economy. No, don't actually, they're the prescriptions that got us into this disaster. The rest of your caricature of "demanding" jobs and affordable health care is contemptible and unworthy of comment. Verbatim right-wing radio mockery of the real suffering going on.
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Oh yeah, shut up you.
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Of course I'm completely drunk and high as a kite right now. Oh look, there's a pretty, rainbow-colored pig flying outside my window and he wants me to join him.
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/snark
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*RESIST THE FACEBOOK*
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I am a libertarian and detest the nagging of our federal gov't as well. Not all libertarians have penises.
I love how he rationalizes his apparent proclivity to over imbibe alcohol and use drugs. Brilliant libertarians undertake "heroic drinking." I drink because I am smart. Way to kill brain cells, you tool.
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