Wow. After pointing out the typo, which you originally had as "endless humorous", you've finally changed it to the much better "endlessy humorous". You made a typo when trying to previous your previous typo. That is quite impressive.
I'm going to break with the pack and not impugn the Italian people. But (as a short person myself) I feel I have the right to observe that this guy has a classic short guy complex. Also, who in the fucking world does he think he's fooling with that ridiculous rug? That is all.
As an Italian-American, I am disgusted by the comments in here. Yeah, the current President of Italy is a joke, much like how many countries perceived former President Bush to be a joke, but at what point does that allow Americans to sit here and:
1. Call an entire country of people racist
2. Make value judgments about their culture, unless of course we are talking about spaghetti!
3. Make associations to mob ties and gentrification.
It's rude and frankly, hypocritical. "Hey, we don't like this racist guys, so why don't we call an entire people a bunch of no-good, crime-ridden, racist idiots."
@elizagi: You're not wrong, exactly, but... well, it's fair to say that the relationship between Italians and folks of color has been strained on both sides of the pond. Many people of Italian extraction are liberal (in the classic sense), educated and worldly - three of many factors that discline them to be prejudiced. Not to mention that lots of Italians have been victims of prejudice, know how it feels, and aren't in a big hurry to perpetrate it on anyone else.
But try to send Joey Baggodonutz of Staten Island on a blind date with a lady of color and you'll see his head explode. Followed by his mother's, and neither of them would care if the lady in question was Beyonce.
@elizagi: Ditto. This hurts even more because I'm Italian AND African-American. I have to say that I haven't been waving the "Io amo l'Italia" flag that much at all lately because the PM makes me want to gag.... I bet Michelle could take him.
Italy a mere joke, Are you serious? you're comment is as ignorant as Berlusconi's. Maybe you should inform yourself a little more about my country of birth and it's contributions to the world before you make such an idiotic comment. Better yet take a trip and actually meet some Italian's and maybe you'll realize that a country of 60 million people don't all have the same opinion SMH.
I would just love if all of you guys would be so kind to not associate all the italian people with this person. He controls the media here, not only the government and he has been involved in many scandals lately. He is the kind of man who always thinks to be funny and this is the reason of this "jokes" about the women, etc...I am italian, live in Rome and I have been an exchange student in NY and love the US and the american people and I can tell you that we are not all like that. Our only fault is that the majority of people voted him, that's why I think it is right that many of you show anger but please have the good sense of thinking about italians as those who voted for this person and those who didn't.
Obama looks pissed because this piece of shit is disrespecting his wife. Oops sorry this TINY piece of shit. Since Italy matters less than Lower Lichstenstein (sp) on the world stage, this speck is strictly for entertainment value. If the Italians are happy with this guy speaking for them (the US got slammed every fucking day for voting for Bush), then they deserve him.
Berlusconi's Il Popolo della Libertà party is a populist party that regularily stokes racist sentiment for political gain. It isn't, however, purely an anti-"black" racism. The population of Eastern European immigrants is also a target.
Also, it's less of a prejudice against blacks because they're black, and more of a prejudice against blacks because they're poor laborers. The ancient racist stereotypes that have always existed have been dusted off and are being redeployed against them. But, make no mistake, it's the class status of the immigrants that's feeding the racist sentiment. For all of this, we've Berlusconi and his populist revolution to thank.
@i'm a bottle: No we don't have Berlusconi to thank. Too easy. You can't appeal to something that isn't there. The Italian people are to blame for this clown and the ugliness he represents. The ugliness that was already there.
@topsy: If it wouldn't be for Berlusconi's opportunistic maneuvering between FI and AN, there would be no Berlusconi in power. He veered rightward to woo the AN voters into the FdL fold, which assured him a more stable coalition and a stronger hand in governing. This is a guy who controls the media and has corrupted the government, so I wouldn't solely blame the nation of Italy. The deck is stacked against it. This is just the nature of the mechanics of governing any nation with a fractured left and an aging population.
@i'm a bottle: Oh shit, I hadn't even realized that it was YOU. The whiff of crazy wasn't strong enough. The war between us is taking place in your mind. I promise to check who I'm responding to more closely.
Just because they have a jerk for a president doesn't mean the country (or the people whose family hails from that country, @skt.smth) is full of jerks. Let's not apply the same logic Americans bridled at under Bush.
@Jackiewsu: Because early in America's history, after blacks were freed from slavery and they began to slowly work their way into the middle class, they ended up "encroaching" first on the lower-class immigrant neighborhoods in major cities. Italian-Americans were among the first groups, in most instances, to experience this trend, and got angry when their "good Italian neighborhoods" started becoming racially mixed.
@skt.smth: You really think that proper Italians (ie from Italy, not from the US) are aware of (or even care about) what Italian American neighbourhoods are like?
Um, no. There's a much longer history behind Italian racism, and it certainly doesn't revolve around the US. The country's physical closeness to Africa might have something to do with it - historical enemies, etc etc. Sicily was first attacked by Islamic Africans in the 7th century. And so it began.
@Jackiewsu: I think racism lies under the surface in much of Europe, and I think it's as basic and primal as "they don't look like us", "they have different cultural mores" and of course, "they are Jews".
Remember, the respective European countries have been, for the last thousand years or so, and up until very recently, almost totally homogeneous, culturally and ethnically. When you know, or have seen, very few people unlike yourself, you're far more likely to view those who are different in a suspicious light.
Remember also, the Italians aren't just prejudiced against "the Other", there's also a great deal of North/South prejudice within Italy itself. Northern Italians view Southern Italians as being "practically African". This prejudice led to a cultural ostracism that was partly responsible for the Sicilian exodus to the U.S. in the early 20th Century, that, and famine. Thus the irony in so many Sicilian Americans being such racist assholes, because back in the Motherland Sicilians are looked at by their fellow Italians as practically African.
@Lulu82: I took the post to mean all people of Italian descent. Of course, I was speaking only about Italian-Americans in my comment. Obviously the racial issues in America don't have much to do with the racial issues of natural born Italians.
To be honest, I feel like most people with strong monocultural identities will tend to be racist, xenophobic, etc. to a certain extent. I may be wrong, but Italy has always seemed like a relative monoculture to me.
@lionel-mandrake: Sicily has a long history of foreign peoples mixing with the native population: The Greeks, Islamic North Africans and the Normans. Unification has slowed this somewhat.
@lionel-mandrake: European countries have not all been ethnically and culturally homogeneous for the last thousand years. For example, the Moors were ruling parts of Spain until 500 years ago. That's just one example.
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1. Call an entire country of people racist
2. Make value judgments about their culture, unless of course we are talking about spaghetti!
3. Make associations to mob ties and gentrification.
It's rude and frankly, hypocritical. "Hey, we don't like this racist guys, so why don't we call an entire people a bunch of no-good, crime-ridden, racist idiots."
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But try to send Joey Baggodonutz of Staten Island on a blind date with a lady of color and you'll see his head explode. Followed by his mother's, and neither of them would care if the lady in question was Beyonce.
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Also, it's less of a prejudice against blacks because they're black, and more of a prejudice against blacks because they're poor laborers. The ancient racist stereotypes that have always existed have been dusted off and are being redeployed against them. But, make no mistake, it's the class status of the immigrants that's feeding the racist sentiment. For all of this, we've Berlusconi and his populist revolution to thank.
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Just because they have a jerk for a president doesn't mean the country (or the people whose family hails from that country, @skt.smth) is full of jerks. Let's not apply the same logic Americans bridled at under Bush.
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Um, no. There's a much longer history behind Italian racism, and it certainly doesn't revolve around the US. The country's physical closeness to Africa might have something to do with it - historical enemies, etc etc. Sicily was first attacked by Islamic Africans in the 7th century. And so it began.
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Remember, the respective European countries have been, for the last thousand years or so, and up until very recently, almost totally homogeneous, culturally and ethnically. When you know, or have seen, very few people unlike yourself, you're far more likely to view those who are different in a suspicious light.
Remember also, the Italians aren't just prejudiced against "the Other", there's also a great deal of North/South prejudice within Italy itself. Northern Italians view Southern Italians as being "practically African". This prejudice led to a cultural ostracism that was partly responsible for the Sicilian exodus to the U.S. in the early 20th Century, that, and famine. Thus the irony in so many Sicilian Americans being such racist assholes, because back in the Motherland Sicilians are looked at by their fellow Italians as practically African.
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To be honest, I feel like most people with strong monocultural identities will tend to be racist, xenophobic, etc. to a certain extent. I may be wrong, but Italy has always seemed like a relative monoculture to me.
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