As Ham pointed out, someone calls someone else a cocksucker and we're discussing the homophobia of the callee and not the caller? That's pretty stupid. Why not assume Allen was outraged by Roig-Franzia's use of hate speech? There's just as much reason to do that. Steuver comes off as something of a twit who's trying to attach himself to some drama he has nothing to do with. #washingtonpost
@MissNormaDesmond: Based solely on the photos of the two men involved and the reported interactions leading up to the fight, I'm sticking with this theory: the guy who got punched was a dick. #washingtonpost
@ms_priestypants: True, and I actually don't condone Allen's having used his fists. Letting an asshole get your goat that badly is for mugs. But it seems pretty clear that Roig-Franzia is the kind of person who, in the brilliant assessment of an earlier post, has a mouth that writes checks which his ass is incapable of cashing, and counted on others' restraint to keep this from becoming apparent. Ooops. #washingtonpost
@MissNormaDesmond: I felt obligated to say the nonviolent thing, and I believe it, but if the punchee really did and said the things he was rumored to have done and said, Gandhi would have knocked that smirk off his face. #washingtonpost
Growing up in NYC we heard that curse all the time. So much, in fact, that we never considered the gay aspect of it. It was just another word in the insult repertoire. #washingtonpost
It's all about tone, more so than implication. Think about it. People say "Fuck you" as a huge insult. But what is really being said? "I want to have sex with you?" "Someone, certainly not me, fucks you?" "You, may indeed, fuck, or be fucked, repeatedly?"
So you see, you can utter complete simple nonsense and with the right oomphitude make someone want to punch their hand through the back of your skull. Next time try it with, "Snuggie Owner!" "Phillies Fan!" "President Palin!" #washingtonpost
@Spirit Fingers: Exactly! I think he was pissed that kids these days have no regard for their elders. He was going all Ms. Manners on the guy, but instead of calling him gentle reader, he just punched him in the face! #washingtonpost
funny, that's what usually comes to mind when I see (as was the case in this instance) commenters and writers cheer or embrace the idea of punching somebody in the face. definitely requires a certain discomfort with one's own empathy, and a yearning to be more aggressive than one is (otherwise you wouldn't have to talk about it), which pretty much intrinsically captures the troubling and jejune tendencies of Internet forums. cowardice mixed with boorishness is something cringeworthy indeed. one would expect better at Gawker. #washingtonpost
@TheologicalSong: You could learn to start sentences with capital letters. That would make you seem less, oh, I don't know, less ignorant? No, actually it wouldn't. Let's find some other nice words in the thesaurus: Pompous. Poseur. Pretentious. #washingtonpost
@Novaload: Sorry, can't even follow this dumb fight you've all started on a post about a fight, but no, use of correct grammar and punctuation does not equal less ignorance. Anyone who thinks so is a god-damned fucking ignorant idiot. #washingtonpost
@freedc: I think the comment is more about the language used and then the total disregard to basic grammar. It comes off a bit -let me look at the thesaurus -sententious and supercilious. #washingtonpost
@Novaload: I'm not really sure why someone with a capacious vocabulary irks you (and many others, generally projecting some of the qualities I noted in my initial comment) so, but don't worry, it's not everything. I have a lot of other impressive qualities, too! I'd tread lightly. you'd probably really like me in person. ask around. #washingtonpost
@TheologicalSong: I'm not scared of your vocabulary. There's a deficiency, though, when people think an obscure or fancy word impresses people. Especially on the interwebz. #washingtonpost
@Novaload: you're the one who felt the need to comment on it. I really hadn't given it a second thought. it comes naturally. currying your favor is hardly at the top of my agenda. call me overeducated if you will. just don't tell me how to be, or presume you know anything about me, and I promise to show you the same respect. #washingtonpost
@TheologicalSong: Hah, do you really promise? Because it seems to me that showing your respect by holding expectations at direct odds with observable experience, and then commenting on it in a--jejune or not, sententious or not, pompous or not--certainly vaguely insulting way...why that makes it seem like you're trying specifically to exert pressure regarding the behavior of your fellow commenters.
It is, if you'll pardon my saying so, a little disingenuous to begin your discussion by judging the mind and behavior of your fellows, and then ending it by asking not to be so similarly judged.
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@braak: an incisively lucid response. thanks for that. though I maintain: a man can dream (about a certain measure of dignity in the way conversations are held), and I don't feel ashamed or disingenuous about taking the peanut gallery's gleeful revelry/adulation on the occasion of a man with whom they're surely unacquainted being punched in the face at, well, face value. I think that sort of indulgence says volumes about a person's character. words have impact, words should be used responsibly. I really don't care how Gawkerites normally talk, there are numerous distinct voices and styles of communication represented herein, I have many cohorts and kindred spirits here, for all those who diverge (rather pettily) from my point of view/manner/mode. and that's certainly a wonderful thing. but the crass juvenilia is occasionally beyond the pale, and I feel the need to speak up. if everyone expressed themselves as eloquently as you, I wouldn't. so you're right, there is a form of pressure, of judgement, a looking askance. but I certainly have noble intentions, misguided though they may be to some. it feels more moral to me than the lot of the armchair pugilist, body fascist, pox wisher, etc. #washingtonpost
So, since people mainly fathers fuck mothers should I take motherfucker as a term of endearment as well? Even though I am a woman and not a mother fucker? I am so confused #washingtonpost
@Pope John Peeps II: I guess fuck you is also fair game. I also possess an asshole so that shouldn't be nay more offensive as someone telling me I am being a giant arm or leg. #washingtonpost
George Carlin had a bit in his 7 Dirty Words routine about the uses of cocksucker, and how it should be one of the English language's greatest compliments, not an insult.
@If_I_Had_a_Poodle: Who is this George Carlin person? Should I have heard of him? Thanks for linking me to this obscure, unknown comedian!
Also, what is "wikipedia"? Is it like an encyclopedia? But someone seems to have stuck some sort of pompous hawaiian word onto the front of it. Well, anyhow. Thanks for linking me to these two totally unknown things. #washingtonpost
@FrankenPC: i've been saying for a while now we should make book on which prominent r's will attach the r-word to the president of the united states live, on air or online, on what date at what hour as it is surely only a matter of time
i was flipping around the radio dial the other day stuck in traffic and that limbaugh wannabe jackass phil valentine was blathering on about how michael jackson shouldn't have complained that mtv was all white when he put out thriller, and how he shouldn't have pressed for airplay, as it wasn't racist for mtv to be all white, it was formatting. and the way he said formatting, making it 10 syllables of dripping evil pompous slimy condescension made me want to put my dollar on his name for first in the obama n-word pool. i really do hope it's him.
In her defense, she could have arrived at his page at 1:53 and not refreshed to see the comment at 1:54, leaving her 9 minutes to read the post, actually LOL, think of something to say, type very slowly, and hit post. Yeah that's the ticket!
An old roommate of mine is Republican. He's 30, straight, white and from Maryland. He did his Peace Corp time in Africa and is getting his Masters in African Economics (or something). He lived with me (gay, Latino) in Berkeley. He's been my favorite roommate and I daresay, we adore each other.
My point is he's nothing like these ninnies, yet he still identifies with their politics. He voted McCain. I don't understand it. Why ARE there young Republicans? Is it an economic thing? If so, can economics really trump social equality in their minds?
@The Marble Faun: I once took a lover who revealed he was a (moderate) Republican; I regretted it was only after I discovered the sex was so stellar. By persuasion, and philisophical conversation , I eventually turned him out like a pimp, sending him on the progressive ho-stroll. When he told me he had voted Hilary for Senate, I was so proud of him I finally allowed him to eat me out. He's a progressive to this day, true story.
People, people, you totally misunderstood. 'Piker' is racist British slang for 'gypsy'. See, he's an oppressed people too, therefore he is allowed to use the terminology!
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So you see, you can utter complete simple nonsense and with the right oomphitude make someone want to punch their hand through the back of your skull. Next time try it with, "Snuggie Owner!" "Phillies Fan!" "President Palin!" #washingtonpost
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Really? Why?
Oh...oh, wait, you didn't mean that. You were just being condescending.
Good show, old chum! #washingtonpost
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I said good day, sir! #washingtonpost
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that's awfully twittish of you. #washingtonpost
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I certainly hope I'm insouciant.
we all have our moments. if I'm ever cavalier, it comes in an instant of utter distraction.
I'm really not this precious. I just take people seriously. sue me. #washingtonpost
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It is, if you'll pardon my saying so, a little disingenuous to begin your discussion by judging the mind and behavior of your fellows, and then ending it by asking not to be so similarly judged.
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[en.wikipedia.org] #washingtonpost
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Also, what is "wikipedia"? Is it like an encyclopedia? But someone seems to have stuck some sort of pompous hawaiian word onto the front of it. Well, anyhow. Thanks for linking me to these two totally unknown things. #washingtonpost
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I love watching Republicans eat each other alive. Very entertaining. The dams bursting and there's no going back.
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i was flipping around the radio dial the other day stuck in traffic and that limbaugh wannabe jackass phil valentine was blathering on about how michael jackson shouldn't have complained that mtv was all white when he put out thriller, and how he shouldn't have pressed for airplay, as it wasn't racist for mtv to be all white, it was formatting. and the way he said formatting, making it 10 syllables of dripping evil pompous slimy condescension made me want to put my dollar on his name for first in the obama n-word pool. i really do hope it's him.
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My point is he's nothing like these ninnies, yet he still identifies with their politics. He voted McCain. I don't understand it. Why ARE there young Republicans? Is it an economic thing? If so, can economics really trump social equality in their minds?
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