If true, it's the ultimatum of a very dumb, immature girl. Seems to me if she can see him on TV on the course he is NOT on another woman having intercourse. And of course, only dummies take away their spouse or ex's way of making a living. Cutting off one's nose to spite one's face comes to mind. If true, that is.
@SwatLax: I think people get used to their income. Regardless of how monstrous. It is how he makes a living. Billions, millions or not. Imagine the thousand-pinching they'll have to do now. Silver pampers instead of gold. Jersey Shore caviar instead of Beluga. The pressure to scrimp and save will be difficult. (I get your point. You're right.)
@SwatLax: Yes you can. How much income someone deserves is up to the people and companies doing the hiring.
Very few people are paid what they are worth, including Mr. Woods, President Obama, and my postal delivery person. Whatever the market will bare is my stance.
I've listened to some sports talk radio lately.
Don't.
A fair number of people who call in at times seem to skew douchebag. Ironically, the white callers probably includes some who wouldn't have let Woods onto their golf course 50 years ago. But now their dislike is vented towards the ladies (and teh gehs).
I hope, for her sake, that this is totally false (likely). If this was a real ultimatum, with zero wiggle room, he would kick her ass out so fast she'd land in cuba.
Lets get one thing clear- for all of his many faults, Tiger Woods is a golf genius. If golf is a piano, he's Chopin. He DOES NOT care as much about his wife, his kids, whatever as he does about golf, nor should he. When you're given an amazing, world changing talent, you use it. End of story.
PS: I really hope he can reconcile with his wife, and become a better person, and maybe some day become santa's #1 elf. But in reality, if he just wins 25 majors and blows the rest of the golf world to hell and gone, nobody will give a crap about the rest of everything. That's reality.
@m4ximusprim3: Yeah, he's a fantastic golf player, but he's also a fucking man, and a real man handles his wife and children, and doesn't subject them to incredibly embarassing stuff like this. Being a good golf player doesn't excuse being a scumbag, and having a great talent doesn't divorce you from being a human being. He'll likely make a comeback, but being a great athlete doesn't mean you're a fantastic person. In some capacity, this is going to follow him for the rest of his career, because we love when our idols fuck up.
@TheExperience: I'm not trying to say that his golf makes his behavior any less wrong, or scandalous, or whatever. I'm just being a realist- history judges you by your accomplishments in your field, not by how you treated your wife.
You don't get where he has gotten in the sport by being a great father- you get there by selfishly putting in hours upon hours in the gym, at the driving range, and flying around the world. Would he have been better off if he didn't chase random tail? Of course.
However, deep down, if you made him choose between greatness in golf and being a family man/coulda been, he'll choose greatness - and I applaud him for it. Call me callous, but I don't give two shits about his marriage compared to his golf career.
@m4ximusprim3: You don't get to be where you are in a sport by being a great husband or father, true, but you do earn the respect of people, and this is the kind of thing that will help your career when you lose 40 ft. off your drive. Think of it this way: Tiger vs. Phil. One has a shit ton of majors in his pocket. One has a couple, and has tended to his wife while she's suffering through breast cancer. Guess which one seems like a safer endorsement TODAY?
@AgadorSpartacus: I don't really think the piano is all that important, to be honest. That being said, I realize how talented Motzart and Chopin are, and how much they impacted their fields of industry. Get your head out of your ass.
@Dave J.: I'm not talking endorsements, or what people say to him in the gallery. He doesn't care about that. I'm talking about, when you read "the history of golf, 2030 edition", it having a picture of Tiger Woods on the cover and the preface starting out "Though the history of golf is long and varied, only one player stands head and shoulders above the rest."
That's what Tiger has always cared about, and I don't see that changing anytime soon. I could very well be wrong - but I doubt it.
As a female golf fan/watcher/bad player: Elin needs to leave Tiger, now. She needs to take the kids and the money and move elsewhere.
Tiger needs to take time off to decide what is best for him and what is left of his family (kids).
As for the PGA: there are plenty of other golfers that you can turn the cameras on during a tournament and most viewers are happy to watch without hearing about Tiger Woods every freakin' second.
@kathotdog006: I dunno about that. Much of the rise of golf in the past 10-15 years is solely due to Tiger. That might seem like hyperbole, but it's really not. He's boring and dull, but he's THE dominant figure on the tour. Take him out of those majors, and ratings would fall by 30-40%.
Golf is escapism, pure and simple. It requires many special instruments and it can only be played in places with big swaths of open land and the necessary staff to maintain the course, which in turn means the club has to charge fees (sometimes substantial) for maintenance.
And there isn't any kind of a cheapo alternative. For every stadium with an NBA basketball team, there are probably hundreds and thousands of blacktop courts where kids can play pickup ball essentially for free. Kids in my parents generation played stickball in sandlots, and flag football is still fairly popular even today.
But there's a much higher bar for golf. That, and it's sofa king boring.
"The meta-philosophy of free — we should get rid of this philosophy," said Christoph Keese, Springer’s head of public affairs and an architect of its online strategy. "A highly industrialized world cannot survive on rumors. It needs quality journalism, and that costs money."
This is a quote from a Bild spokesman, a newspaper that has famously low editorial standards. I don't get his appeal to the public interest here. These people have made a business of publishing irresponsible rumors that appeal to populist sentiment.
There are German newspapers that are actually doing poorly. These are mainly the broadsheets with high standards. Bild is not having any major financial issues like the broadsheets are having. It's true that its circulation is decreasing, sure, but for a newspaper that has consistently chosen the profit motive as a guiding principle over quality journalism in the public's interest, it's obviously disingenuous of them to justify their price increase as a way to provide better journalism.
The motivation is so clear here: squeeze as much money out of their readers before the great unwashed migrate away from Bild to equally poor-quality blogs.
@i'm a bottle: I worked for a short period at Axel Springer. From what I saw, that company has a way of putting douchebags in charge and repressing people who actually have good ideas — even at the online division! But isn't this what the print media business does nowadays, anyway?
@freakshowtime: The douchebaggery doesn't surprise me at all.
Also, those douches aren't doing their job. Most of the Bild properties haven't changed their format in years and their online presence is especially a mess.
They can't expect to just keep doing what they've been doing since the eighties yet hope to preserve or increase their circulation numbers. The major problem I see is that the Bild concept is graphics heavy but commentary light -- a format that's easily supplanted by anybody with an Internet connection and a Wordpress account.
That is seriously the most beautiful puppy I've ever seen aside from my own, who was a black lab mix and looked almost exactly like the one above. Holy crap, PUPPY.
Wow. So the gist of this thread seems to be that I should be indifferent about people fighting dogs and torturing/murdering the loser dogs because I eat chicken Parmesan and the occasional steak? And that only vegetarians have the right to be indignant about dog fighting and dog torturing by some rich asshole?
Um, OK. Still, I eat the occasional steak and I think people who take pleasure in the choice of fighting, torturing and killing dogs are sick individuals.
I do not think people who work at meat factories, or people who eat pork chops, are working at the same level of individual mental depravity.
@gawkimo: I'm a vegetarian, and I agree with you. Conflating the two issues is, in my opinion, a humongous mistake, because it turns empathy into antipathy pretty fast. The two issues are apples and oranges: related, definitely yes, but inextricable, definitely no. As you said, intent is a huge factor.
Ok. Mainly clicked the link to LOOK AT THAT DAMN DOG! Is gawker suddenly using cute cat and dog photos lately to get more threads read? Well, whoever thought that up you're brilliant.
As for Vick. I am the biggest dog lover on the face of the earth. However. He served his time. It's time to let him move on. Flame away on me, but I believe in justice being served and the ability to return to society hopefully rehabilitated.
@manchops: Wow. No flaming here because I agree with you. It's nice to know that loving dogs and being open-minded enough to allow for the possibility of change isn't mutually exclusive. I appreciate your comment.
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I don't think you can call it "making a living" when you've earned ten figures in the last decade or so.
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Very few people are paid what they are worth, including Mr. Woods, President Obama, and my postal delivery person. Whatever the market will bare is my stance.
12/11/09
Don't.
A fair number of people who call in at times seem to skew douchebag. Ironically, the white callers probably includes some who wouldn't have let Woods onto their golf course 50 years ago. But now their dislike is vented towards the ladies (and teh gehs).
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12/11/09
Lets get one thing clear- for all of his many faults, Tiger Woods is a golf genius. If golf is a piano, he's Chopin. He DOES NOT care as much about his wife, his kids, whatever as he does about golf, nor should he. When you're given an amazing, world changing talent, you use it. End of story.
PS: I really hope he can reconcile with his wife, and become a better person, and maybe some day become santa's #1 elf. But in reality, if he just wins 25 majors and blows the rest of the golf world to hell and gone, nobody will give a crap about the rest of everything. That's reality.
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12/11/09
You don't get where he has gotten in the sport by being a great father- you get there by selfishly putting in hours upon hours in the gym, at the driving range, and flying around the world. Would he have been better off if he didn't chase random tail? Of course.
However, deep down, if you made him choose between greatness in golf and being a family man/coulda been, he'll choose greatness - and I applaud him for it. Call me callous, but I don't give two shits about his marriage compared to his golf career.
12/11/09
12/11/09
@Dave J.: I'm not talking endorsements, or what people say to him in the gallery. He doesn't care about that. I'm talking about, when you read "the history of golf, 2030 edition", it having a picture of Tiger Woods on the cover and the preface starting out "Though the history of golf is long and varied, only one player stands head and shoulders above the rest."
That's what Tiger has always cared about, and I don't see that changing anytime soon. I could very well be wrong - but I doubt it.
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Tiger needs to take time off to decide what is best for him and what is left of his family (kids).
As for the PGA: there are plenty of other golfers that you can turn the cameras on during a tournament and most viewers are happy to watch without hearing about Tiger Woods every freakin' second.
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*and I know they have 2 children
12/11/09
And there isn't any kind of a cheapo alternative. For every stadium with an NBA basketball team, there are probably hundreds and thousands of blacktop courts where kids can play pickup ball essentially for free. Kids in my parents generation played stickball in sandlots, and flag football is still fairly popular even today.
But there's a much higher bar for golf. That, and it's sofa king boring.
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It wasn't the game of golf that got him into this mess; it was Tiger's own balls and shaft that got him there.
She needs to say "You need to choose between sex with multiple partners or me."
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This is a quote from a Bild spokesman, a newspaper that has famously low editorial standards. I don't get his appeal to the public interest here. These people have made a business of publishing irresponsible rumors that appeal to populist sentiment.
There are German newspapers that are actually doing poorly. These are mainly the broadsheets with high standards. Bild is not having any major financial issues like the broadsheets are having. It's true that its circulation is decreasing, sure, but for a newspaper that has consistently chosen the profit motive as a guiding principle over quality journalism in the public's interest, it's obviously disingenuous of them to justify their price increase as a way to provide better journalism.
The motivation is so clear here: squeeze as much money out of their readers before the great unwashed migrate away from Bild to equally poor-quality blogs.
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12/07/09
Also, those douches aren't doing their job. Most of the Bild properties haven't changed their format in years and their online presence is especially a mess.
They can't expect to just keep doing what they've been doing since the eighties yet hope to preserve or increase their circulation numbers. The major problem I see is that the Bild concept is graphics heavy but commentary light -- a format that's easily supplanted by anybody with an Internet connection and a Wordpress account.
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Um, OK. Still, I eat the occasional steak and I think people who take pleasure in the choice of fighting, torturing and killing dogs are sick individuals.
I do not think people who work at meat factories, or people who eat pork chops, are working at the same level of individual mental depravity.
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As for Vick. I am the biggest dog lover on the face of the earth. However. He served his time. It's time to let him move on. Flame away on me, but I believe in justice being served and the ability to return to society hopefully rehabilitated.
12/07/09