Harumph. I call shenanigans on these stats until I see the college GRADUATION rates. 50% of the students who enroll in college in my state don't finish. Just because all these kids enroll for 1-3 years of drinking and irresponsibility doesn't mean they become drunk adults with college degrees. #shutupcollege
But are they graduating any smarter? I'm going to go with "no" and cite as an example the young woman I interviewed last week, who asked me "What is Public Policy, anyway?" She was interviewing for the position of "Policy Analyst." Her major? Public Policy and Administration.
Wait till they find out that after having been told all their lives that education is the key to a better life that in fact it's only one key. You need at least four more to unlock the vault. #shutupcollege
@Conchie Birdie: I completely agree. It’s good that more people are becoming educated, but a college education is being watered down into a high school one. Professional degrees are quickly becoming the new Bachelor’s. #shutupcollege
@Conchie Birdie: Community colleges have no barrier to entry, making them somewhat derided for their perceived low quality. This perception is a shame, though, since community colleges often act as a bridge to "regular" college for those young people who are the first in their families to pursue higher education. If that's not quality, I'm not sure what is. #shutupcollege
@h_bee: No no no no... I meant the entire education system - I wasn't trying to deride anyone who attends community college. Rather, what is the quality of knowledge these days? #shutupcollege
@Conchie Birdie: Fair point - my misunderstanding. I think as a rule our high schools are increasingly failing our kids, which actually makes the role of the community college that much more relevant.
I work in the system. You can't imagine the lack of academic skills and basic knowledge we see from recent h.s. grads. Astounding. #shutupcollege
And why not? With social promotion kids can graduate high school without knowing how to read or do basic algebra. This has been going on for a while now, and before anybody jumps on me, I don't think this is a partisan issue. #shutupcollege
@Chore Boy: One of the reasons I no longer teach is because too much of my work with college freshman involved remedial instruction,which I'm not very good at. Many students get out of high school without many skills, alas, whether academic or vocational. #shutupcollege
@fuckingoldman: I wish I could disagree with you on this, just to keep my record clean. But I teach freshman comp, and even if you're wrong about the cause, you're right about the outcome. #shutupcollege
@Chore Boy: You sound like another product of our illiustrious public education system. I suggest you quit sniffing ass and do a little more reading to get your facts straight. #shutupcollege
@Smitros: Thank you. ChoreBoy is one of those types of people that can't agree with somebody who has pissed him off even if they're right. #shutupcollege
@Better to Eat You With: Thank you for being a big enough person to talk about the issue and not let past disagreements cloud the topic. #shutupcollege
@fuckingoldman: At this point I am willing to suggest that poor quality of American primary and education is, like climate change, something that should transcend ideology and be treated as an objective problem. Deniers at the ideological extremes are both unhelpful and uninteresting. #shutupcollege
We might do well, at all points in the social spectrum, to think about and maybe even reread The Theory of the Leisure Class ([socserv2.mcmaster.ca]) #thepoors
In 2006, John Cassidy wrote a great article in the New Yorker on how the perception of poverty is relative though not independent of absolute measures of it.*
Initially, he seems to challenge the assumptions of this post:
“Rather than trying to come up with a subsistence-based poverty measure about which everybody can agree, we should accept that there is no definitive way to decide who is impoverished and who isn’t. Every three years, researchers from the federal government conduct surveys about the number of appliances in the homes of American families. In 2001, ninety-one per cent of poor families owned color televisions; seventy-four per cent owned microwave ovens; fifty-five per cent owned VCRs; and forty-seven per cent owned dishwashers. Are these families poverty-stricken?”
But as the article progresses, Cassidy brings together evidence from numerous disciplines to show how “relative privation” hurts people psychologically, socially, and even physically. The basic idea: “It appears that, while money matters to people, their relative ranking matters more. ... Relative deprivation is also bad for your health.”
How to assess relative privation? “Since relative deprivation confers many of the disadvantages of absolute deprivation, it should be reflected in the poverty statistics. A simple way to do this would be to classify a household as impoverished if its pre-tax income was, say, less than half the median income—the income of the household at the center of the income-distribution curve.”
In the current political climate, his thoughts on the redistribution of wealth would inevitably raise the specter of socialism: “The conservative case against a relative-poverty line asserts that since some people will always earn less than others the relative-poverty rate will never go down. Fortunately, this isn”t necessarily true. If incomes were distributed more equally, fewer families would earn less than half the median income. Therefore, the way to reduce relative poverty is to reduce income inequality—perhaps by increasing the minimum wage and raising taxes on the rich.”
*John Cassidy, Annals of Economics, “Relatively Deprived,” The New Yorker, April 3, 2006 (link).
@iplaudius: Shit. I have no job, no TV, no dishwasher, a car on which the book value is $550, no VCR or DVD player. (I do have a microwave oven, tho, and a $300 laptop on which I'm writing this post.)
However, unlike many truly poor people, my poverty is temporary. Once I graduate with my MBA in December from my no-name school, I'll be making the big bucks....right?
@xyzpdq: I sounds as though you are definitely poor by absolute and relative measures described by Cassidy, though, as you suggest, you might be in a position to change your state.
In the current economy, a lot of people who are leaving school have to settle for work that may not be related to or commensurate with their academic qualifications. All I can say is: good luck, and work your connections. #thepoors
yes, using the word that describes the actual thing is silly, let's get a cute term so that we can *feel like we know what is going on, without actually learning or knowing any more than we did before!
does this metaphor help: the tumor is no longer growing.
and i'm not saying i agree with the fed, i'd have to say that i don't really know. i work for myself, and i am seeing a little uptick in business after a dismal and terrifying summer.
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Initially, he seems to challenge the assumptions of this post:
“Rather than trying to come up with a subsistence-based poverty measure about which everybody can agree, we should accept that there is no definitive way to decide who is impoverished and who isn’t. Every three years, researchers from the federal government conduct surveys about the number of appliances in the homes of American families. In 2001, ninety-one per cent of poor families owned color televisions; seventy-four per cent owned microwave ovens; fifty-five per cent owned VCRs; and forty-seven per cent owned dishwashers. Are these families poverty-stricken?”
But as the article progresses, Cassidy brings together evidence from numerous disciplines to show how “relative privation” hurts people psychologically, socially, and even physically. The basic idea: “It appears that, while money matters to people, their relative ranking matters more. ... Relative deprivation is also bad for your health.”
How to assess relative privation? “Since relative deprivation confers many of the disadvantages of absolute deprivation, it should be reflected in the poverty statistics. A simple way to do this would be to classify a household as impoverished if its pre-tax income was, say, less than half the median income—the income of the household at the center of the income-distribution curve.”
In the current political climate, his thoughts on the redistribution of wealth would inevitably raise the specter of socialism: “The conservative case against a relative-poverty line asserts that since some people will always earn less than others the relative-poverty rate will never go down. Fortunately, this isn”t necessarily true. If incomes were distributed more equally, fewer families would earn less than half the median income. Therefore, the way to reduce relative poverty is to reduce income inequality—perhaps by increasing the minimum wage and raising taxes on the rich.”
*John Cassidy, Annals of Economics, “Relatively Deprived,” The New Yorker, April 3, 2006 (link).
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However, unlike many truly poor people, my poverty is temporary. Once I graduate with my MBA in December from my no-name school, I'll be making the big bucks....right?
*crickets* #thepoors
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In the current economy, a lot of people who are leaving school have to settle for work that may not be related to or commensurate with their academic qualifications. All I can say is: good luck, and work your connections. #thepoors
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"we have far more honest priests than thieving priests"
Qualify that. Go ahead, punk. Make my day. #thepoors
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does this metaphor help: the tumor is no longer growing.
and i'm not saying i agree with the fed, i'd have to say that i don't really know. i work for myself, and i am seeing a little uptick in business after a dismal and terrifying summer.