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    Image of Smitros Smitros
    05/10/09

    In reply to U Can Not Haz Edumacashun
    30 million Americans--seemingly half of whom passed through my classrooms when I was teaching freshman comp.


    I tried, really.


    I guess it didn't take.

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    Image of skahammer skahammer
    05/10/09

    In reply to U Can Not Haz Edumacashun
    OK, a tangent: I actually have no faith at all in institutional attempts to define what constitutes "illiteracy" or "problems with basic reading and writing."


    My theory is that much of what we call "literacy" is heavily context-dependent -- and institutional attempts to incorporate context in tests of literacy don't exactly inspire confidence in me.


    I used to teach at-risk junior-high-schoolers. Many would have been identified as problem readers on tests. Yet if I had been asked to rate their real-world literacy levels, I would certainly have taken into consideration their abilities to grasp the meanings of texts displayed in video games or on internet sites that they frequented. Yet institutional evaluations of literacy almost always omit such real-world abilities.


    I also question the quality of the institutional writings on which people are supposed to test their reading abilities. My favorite example of institutional writings are the disclosure pamphlets you get from your bank when you open a checking account. (When I worked at a bank, I used to contribute to the writing of those awful trainwrecks.) I propose that someone who decided to put zero effort into deciphering those is making a rational decision.


    This isn't a response to the linked article, which seems low on details anyway. I just generally tune out reports of this type, because the likelihood that they accurately describe a real phenomenon (which may nevertheless exist) just seems overwhelmingly remote to me.

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    Image of bess marvin, girl detective bess marvin, girl detective
    05/10/09

    @skahammer: agreed. reminds me of "the wire" episode where prezbo teaches probability via gambling.


    @Almostbanned: whether someone can read or white or has difficulty isn't the issue. the fact that a 57-year-old has trouble doing skills that by age 15 should be mastered is the problem. call it illiterate or whatever, it's still not good.

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    Image of Almostbanned Almostbanned
    05/10/09

    In reply to U Can Not Haz Edumacashun
    Except that's not what the article says at all. It says that 30% of adults 'have difficulty reading and writing' which is not the same thing. And that 7 million of that same 14% have skills so poor they can be considered 'non-literate'.


    I know that this doesn't fit the 'Americans who don't live in NYC are dumb' template as well. Sorry.

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    Image of Claire Buoyant Claire Buoyant
    05/10/09

    @Almostbanned: Please enlighten me on the difference between "difficulty reading and writing" and "illiteracy."
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    Image of bess marvin, girl detective bess marvin, girl detective
    05/10/09

    @Almostbanned: from your comment, i'm tempted to include you among the 30%.
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    Image of pufflehuff pufflehuff
    05/10/09

    In reply to U Can Not Haz Edumacashun
    That is a sad stat.
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    Image of skahammer skahammer
    05/10/09

    @pufflehuff: I blame whoever designed the English language.
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    Image of pufflehuff pufflehuff
    05/11/09

    @skahammer: Yes! I've taught English as a second language before. Those of us who have it for a first - and are beyond functionally literate - are very, very lucky indeed.
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    Image of gawkimo gawkimo
    05/10/09

    In reply to U Can Not Haz Edumacashun
    OMG! It's the Damocles of literacy! (Like that? Like what I did there?) OK, time to go outside. . .
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    Image of DeadliestSin DeadliestSin
    05/10/09

    In reply to U Can Not Haz Edumacashun
    This is my arguement when people complain about that book - at least the kids are reading SOMETHING!
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    Image of Colander Colander
    05/10/09

    @DeadliestSin: Enh--there are good books for young people. Those are not them--but I get your point.
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    Image of flossy flossy
    05/10/09

    In reply to U Can Not Haz Edumacashun
    I take it that means that 7% of people still registered as Republicans can read? Now that is scary.
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    Image of i'm a bottle i'm a bottle
    05/10/09

    In reply to U Can Not Haz Edumacashun
    That puts us below Peru and Turkey. Go USA!
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    Image of i'm a bottle i'm a bottle
    05/10/09

    @i'm a bottle: At least we beat out Namibia! Suck it Namibia!
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    Image of Shadowlayer Shadowlayer
    01/18/09

    In reply to You Call This a Downturn?
    Depending on how you look at it, this crisis is a disaster or a bliss.


    Sure if you are/were a big real state developer who bought property at inflated prices and couldn't sell it again before october you are utterly fucked, but if you are a middle-class kid like me, who couldn't do shit in the last 4 years 'cause of how inflated the price of everything was, this is your big chance to finally put your ideas to work and see what happens.

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    Image of OMG! Ponies! OMG! Ponies!
    01/18/09

    In reply to You Call This a Downturn?
    Another study that willfully ignores underemployment and people who have stopped looking for jobs to cushion the data.
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    Image of CountryClubRepublican CountryClubRepublican
    01/16/09

    In reply to You Call This a Downturn?
    Actually, we are not in an official recession, yet, but you wouldn't know that from the media.
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    Image of Owen Thomas Owen Thomas
    01/17/09

    @CountryClubRepublican: What are you talking about?
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    Image of homoviper homoviper
    01/16/09

    In reply to You Call This a Downturn?
    If it's not that bad then why does it seem like it? Are they only measuring with layoffs?
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    Image of FormerEnglishMajor FormerEnglishMajor
    01/16/09

    @eXXX:


    Because news travels vastly more rapidly now, so we start hearing about it sooner, companies react more quickly, etc. etc. This data actually scares me, since it means not that we've been "lucky", just that there is more downside to come.

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    Image of gawkimo gawkimo
    01/16/09

    In reply to You Call This a Downturn?
    Yay! Where's my credit card?
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    Image of forwardmotion forwardmotion
    01/16/09

    In reply to You Call This a Downturn?
    Note the direction the red line is taking.
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    Image of Private Hangnail Private Hangnail
    01/16/09

    In reply to You Call This a Downturn?
    Sort of like receiving the news that only one foot is gangrenous.
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