But, Derek, if you protected the kid's body with a secure box, you could safely juggle your machetes over him. Isn't that a better metaphor than "practicing juggling"?
Most kids don't practice safe sex by literally practicing - like rehearsing - the act of sex.
I think abstinence-only is an unspeakable, unforgivable waste of money and ghastly exercise in dishonesty, but I can only take these reports with a grain of salt. (I will look at the study,though, not just complain here.) Abstinence-only is worthless, but what about STI and unwanted pregnancy rates in blue states and among teens who know what condoms are for and have never been lectured on the moral evils and faultiness of birth control?
How much of this can be chalked up to "Teens don't give a shit, are impulsive, and don't plan beforehand on what they'll do if they have sex"? I realize there's only so much a comprehensive sex-ed teacher can be blamed for, if students play the swine to their sex-ed pearls of wisdom, but couldn't we do better?
(P.S. I'm not impressed by the "low opportunity costs" idea behind teen pregnancy and general indifference to risky activity/poor long-term decision making...it puts the blame/burden of resolution entirely--not some, but ENTIRELY-- on society, and maybe a little the shitty parents whose kids will follow in their footsteps and spend adulthood poor, raising their own poor children. Do we have to wait for this country to evolve into Sweden before we can lower the frequency of STIs and unplanned pregnancy?)
I don't know what's included in the average high school sex-ed class (sex-ed.... not abstinence only?) in a co-ed school--talk about the cost of raising a child? Rape (and not just a discussion that's targeted at girls)? The possibility of having sex, despite "not planning on it" with your significant other?
Another thing--anyone know if those home ec classes that paired students for a week to take care of a "baby" ever actually WORK and make teens appreciate the risk of unwanted pregnancy more? Do schools even DO that anymore? (And I guess it doesn't matter, but if they do what if you know you never want to have children, because I already appreciate that a child is a crying, pooping, EXPENSIVE, 24/7 investment?)
@maude_flanders: If rates are going up, how would the thoughtless, impulsive nature of teenagers explain that? Presumably they were just as thoughtless and impulsive ten years ago, when rates were declining. Skepticism is a good thing, but it has to make sense.
@MissNormaDesmond:
I was in grade school in the 90s. Was sex-ed THAT much better than it is now (presumably in blue states), and universally offered?
I'm skeptical that scuttling abstinence-only is as far as we can go...that's all. It's intellectually dishonest to blame such a complex and serious problem on one asshole administration. The ABC article isn't that thorough on a geographic/demographic breakdown on which populations' are seeing an increase.
The report listed the highest rates of unplanned pregnancy and STI rates in teens 15-19 among Hispanic and black teens (unless you take into account the uprising in STI rates among gay men in the past few years.) You REALLY think the high rates among those populations is because of some Bible-thumping dumbass teacher?
Also, I might be wrong on its influence, but the focus on AIDS now seems to be more international...during the 90s I think there was more domestic awareness. I won't forgive the unforgivable NEGLECT abstinence-only (and it's substitution for the kind of aggressive comprehensive sex-ed we actually NEED) represents, but to act as if that's the ONLY factor at work?
How much of the rise can be attributed to blue states?
(Yes, I realize...the post is about THIS study, and the study was published to identify a problem that is time-specific, instead of a more general one--say, permissive cultural norms and the sort of wishy-washy, faux religiosity that keeps teens from using birth control or abortion but not from fucking, and fucking alot, outside of marriage--are not.)
I still would've liked to see a geoographic/demographic breakdown in the ABC article, which did NOT link to the CDC report, so I'll have to take what they tell me.
@maude_flanders: You can mellow out with the capital letters, I'm right here. You're now offering several different arguments, none of which is the one you were making before, which made no sense. Suppose you stop being histrionic and putting words in my mouth and just calm down, find a coherent argument, and light on it for a moment.
What does abstinence do?
Presenters scaing the shit out of children into not to have sex by pretending to be hip and "down" with them.
Half true.
What it ultimately does and can do is make kids find abstinence partners and confuse them, if their relationship ever blossoms into something a little more serious. Yeah people, it's called a relationship.
Their confusion leads to "innocent" looks at each other naked bodies. interactions and then BS runs through their minds, making themselves find any means necessary to have "abstinence sex." Abstinence sex is not enough, so they take it to the next level, then the next, then the next.
Granted not everyone goes through this process, but sexual confusion and frustration is NEVER a good thing.
All in all abstinence doesn't always work and
for the most part, is bullshit.
(DEAD) Goldwings - Remembered for his bravery and heroism... xD was starred
(DEAD) Goldwings - Remembered for his bravery and heroism... xD was unstarred
That Abstinence Clown is totally creepy. What's the alternative he's offering? Dressing in ridiculous clothes, wearing a derby, juggling? Everything from getting the clap to walking the stroll is better than that.
I feel sort of bad for the people who watch this video and think: whoa, that guy has a rock guitar track on his video. He must really relate to the kids at their level. I'm sure he's going to convince my children to wait until marriage to have sex. That totally would have worked for me.
@Mediahohoho: But HE HAS A ROCK GUITAR TRACK. That, and the argyle sweater vest, is a surefire way to reach the kids.
How could any teen in their right mind resist that sweater vest?
When I read in one of my medical journals that Bush was trying to cut funding for the CDC, my wife had to physically restrain me from jumping up and down in my easy chair and screaming expletives. This at the same time that he was handing out billions for 'HomeLand Securitee'. I really don't think that he ever understood that these were the same guys who would have to discover the biological part of the Weapons of Mass Destruction he was always talking about. I am happy the CDC has put out some good hard data on teen behavior. Any unbiased observer would have seen, that biology has provided more incentives to promote sex than society can provide disincentives. It's unfortunate however, that now that we have this whole 'abstinance education' apparatus, people are going to be swayed by its inertia, and will likely completely disregard the facts of the matter.
That guy does not get laid, regardless of his ability to balance a freakin' big-ass, heavy ladder on his chin, which might very well appeal to some of the larger ladies of the world.
So what accounted for the decline during Bush's first five years? Understand that I'm no fan of abstinence-only education, but the correlation between teen pregnancy rates and any specific sex-education agenda needs to be better laid out. (Maybe the CDC study does explain the reasons for the recent uptrend, but I don't see it in the ABC News report you linked to.)
@Claire Buoyant: My guess is that it took a few years of this abstinence horseshit to take hold. One of the more striking things about this study was that it found almost a third of 18 year-olds in '06 and '07 said they'd never been taught a thing about birth control. Finally, keep in mind that there have been other studies showing similar results. This, I believe, is the first one released by the CDC confirming the trend.
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Most kids don't practice safe sex by literally practicing - like rehearsing - the act of sex.
Perhaps this is where you're getting confused.
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How much of this can be chalked up to "Teens don't give a shit, are impulsive, and don't plan beforehand on what they'll do if they have sex"? I realize there's only so much a comprehensive sex-ed teacher can be blamed for, if students play the swine to their sex-ed pearls of wisdom, but couldn't we do better?
(P.S. I'm not impressed by the "low opportunity costs" idea behind teen pregnancy and general indifference to risky activity/poor long-term decision making...it puts the blame/burden of resolution entirely--not some, but ENTIRELY-- on society, and maybe a little the shitty parents whose kids will follow in their footsteps and spend adulthood poor, raising their own poor children. Do we have to wait for this country to evolve into Sweden before we can lower the frequency of STIs and unplanned pregnancy?)
I don't know what's included in the average high school sex-ed class (sex-ed.... not abstinence only?) in a co-ed school--talk about the cost of raising a child? Rape (and not just a discussion that's targeted at girls)? The possibility of having sex, despite "not planning on it" with your significant other?
Another thing--anyone know if those home ec classes that paired students for a week to take care of a "baby" ever actually WORK and make teens appreciate the risk of unwanted pregnancy more? Do schools even DO that anymore? (And I guess it doesn't matter, but if they do what if you know you never want to have children, because I already appreciate that a child is a crying, pooping, EXPENSIVE, 24/7 investment?)
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I was in grade school in the 90s. Was sex-ed THAT much better than it is now (presumably in blue states), and universally offered?
I'm skeptical that scuttling abstinence-only is as far as we can go...that's all. It's intellectually dishonest to blame such a complex and serious problem on one asshole administration. The ABC article isn't that thorough on a geographic/demographic breakdown on which populations' are seeing an increase.
The report listed the highest rates of unplanned pregnancy and STI rates in teens 15-19 among Hispanic and black teens (unless you take into account the uprising in STI rates among gay men in the past few years.) You REALLY think the high rates among those populations is because of some Bible-thumping dumbass teacher?
Also, I might be wrong on its influence, but the focus on AIDS now seems to be more international...during the 90s I think there was more domestic awareness. I won't forgive the unforgivable NEGLECT abstinence-only (and it's substitution for the kind of aggressive comprehensive sex-ed we actually NEED) represents, but to act as if that's the ONLY factor at work?
How much of the rise can be attributed to blue states?
(Yes, I realize...the post is about THIS study, and the study was published to identify a problem that is time-specific, instead of a more general one--say, permissive cultural norms and the sort of wishy-washy, faux religiosity that keeps teens from using birth control or abortion but not from fucking, and fucking alot, outside of marriage--are not.)
I still would've liked to see a geoographic/demographic breakdown in the ABC article, which did NOT link to the CDC report, so I'll have to take what they tell me.
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Presenters scaing the shit out of children into not to have sex by pretending to be hip and "down" with them.
Half true.
What it ultimately does and can do is make kids find abstinence partners and confuse them, if their relationship ever blossoms into something a little more serious. Yeah people, it's called a relationship.
Their confusion leads to "innocent" looks at each other naked bodies. interactions and then BS runs through their minds, making themselves find any means necessary to have "abstinence sex." Abstinence sex is not enough, so they take it to the next level, then the next, then the next.
Granted not everyone goes through this process, but sexual confusion and frustration is NEVER a good thing.
All in all abstinence doesn't always work and
for the most part, is bullshit.
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How could any teen in their right mind resist that sweater vest?
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I would imagine that Bookish has her own ideas, right?
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