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You are either an idiot or a liar or a partisan blinded by ideology. You are also pissing up a rope by commenting on this story in this forum. What the fuck is wrong with you that you would do that?
You didn't read the whole pdf, you probably never will. You're not wrong and you're not entirely right. The one thing you are is the problem. Nothing good will ever be done on any side, no progress will ever be achieved without heartbreaking sacrifice and compromise because people like you exist.
Stop paralyzing humanity with your endless, petty, partisan bullshit.
I hate you.
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Those who favor reform should counter Mr Boehner's talking points with everything Walmart is willing to offer. IMHO.
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Also, I am not sure how you have determined that the overhead for the US government would be 2 cents on the dollar. I don't think that there are any government agencies working anywhere near that level of efficiency. If their were, our government would not cost so much.
Do some research on what is actually in this bill. Until you do that, blah blah blah, all I see is your mouth flapping.
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Shorter: You have no idea what you're talking about.
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Have any of you ever taken economics?
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I will readily agree that the private sector handles many things more efficiently than the government would, i.e. car manufacturing. But the bottom line is that the healthcare industry spends 25% of its revenue on administrative costs, because all the assholes at the top have to make $20 million a year plus bonuses or whatever. No government employee is ever going to be paid anywhere near that much money, not even the director of the department in charge of a public healthcare system.
Something like 60% of private insurance plans are already non-profit, by the way, and that hasn't killed business for the industry, because in the end, those non-profit insurance plans cost just as much and spend just as much of the proceeds inefficiently.
I don't see any problem with there being a public option if the public option does it better, i.e. not spending 25 cents of every dollar you put in on admin costs, when 2 cents will do just fine.
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Look, every poll of the public's satisfaction of health care shows that the citizens of countries with some form of universal insurance are more satisfied with their care than the U.S.:
http://www.webmd.com/healthy-aging/news/20041029/us-health-care-satisfaction-trails-others
Also? France has one of the highest cancer survival rates in the world.
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If that is where the insurance industry is coming from, I honestly don't care if they can compete against the government. Such a company should not be able to compete at all, in my opinion.
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Government-run health insurance won't necessarily run private health insurance out of business. First of all, the public option is becoming incredibly watered down. One option would only trigger the public plan if private insurance hasn't reduced cost by a set amount. This isn't single-payer health care we're talking about. The idea isn't to put private insurance out of business; it's to provide incentives for private insurance to lower costs for consumers. And you can be damn sure that this is the exactly the type of public plan our Blue Dog overlords will allow.
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Sixty percent of patients in New Zealand told researchers that they were able to get a same-day appointment with a doctor when sick, nearly double the 33% of Americans who got such speedy care. Only Canada scored lower, with 27% saying they could get same-day attention. Americans were also the most likely to have difficulty getting care on nights, weekends, or holidays without going to an emergency room.
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I am not really sure what relevance this has to an argument about the effectiveness of public healthcare.
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My argument though, is that government healthcare will only mean that you have to wait longer. Much longer.
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Also... please stop saying that Brits don't like the NHS, we might complain about it (we complain about EVERYTHING) but we are all watching the current madness in the USA in utter disbelief... Its not even a debate that we would ever have...
Option 1) The Government, does its job and looks after its people, when they are sick. (you know, like it also protects them from terrorists and other countrys and dodgy adverts n stuff)
Option 2) Private companys get to take advantage of the fact that you can't treat yourself for cancer (or whatevs) and so gets to screw you for as much money as it can... cause its that or death...
Plus bonus profits to them if they can avoid actually having to pay to treat your deadly taint-rot.
And don't say the free market solves all ills... because if that was true we wouldn't have companies being fined for price fixing!
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So the end-game for people like you is that private insurers need to be able to rule the roost and price 50 million people out of benefits, so that the rest of us can see a doctor without having our healthcare "rationed."
That doesn't seem like a very sound solution to the problem. It just sounds like a bunch of conservatives giving up.
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This idea that you'd end up "waiting longer" for basic care (i.e. generally feeling sick or unwell) is pure hearsay. What is your opinion based on? Studies have already shown that Americans have longer wait times for care than several countries with public healthcare systems.
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Next time you run into him, address him as "Mr. Boner". Given the GOP's penchant for peen, that should get his attention.
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Maybe that will be my weekend project. Or maybe I'll go get drunk instead.
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Maybe they're not in Republican districts?
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I can't think of an infusion of federal capital that would more directly bolster the capability and the desire of employers to hire new workers than the institution of a public health insurance that covers anybody who wants in.
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The reason why Honda can give you a better value is, in part, because they don't have to pay out massive health benefits to their employees. The cars themselves are better made and more reliable, in part, because the employees who make them are by and large healthier, and therefore more productive than American workers.