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Take that however you like. #carrieprejean
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I'll stop there. #carrieprejean
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She is as stringent and wholesale an example of the Christian Right's despicable doublespeak and hatred that has been poisoning our country for too long as there is in modern American society. She's an avatar, she's a monster.
Carrie Prejean is a hateful bigot who will not tolerate being called on her shit. And we should not give her any amount of credence for it. That any member of the media, old Triceratops Larry King included, would give her any kind of due is just another shameful and sad example of the fact that rhetoric against gay people in this country is tacitly tolerated by popular media, because some wingnut idiots who believe that someone lived inside a whale for a few months threaten righteous rage if said media doesn't give lip service to their ridiculous, completely untrue, ancient assertions about what makes people's sexuality.
The tyranny of religion in this country MUST END if we expect to get anything good and decent and progressive done in this fucked up swamp of a nation we live in. I've had it with this spectacular waste of life, and I've had it with people like Larry King putting up with her bullshit to meet a bottom line.
I'm fucking done. I'm outraged. Say "Who cares about Carrie Prejean??" all you want, I CARE. This woman is an enormous example of why gay teenagers across this country kill themselves in droves every year. Gayness is equated with ugliness in every arena. Figures it was a beauty queen who should point this out.
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And why the *fuck* would Larry King apologize to this hateful bitch? If she wants to shill her idiotic book, then get some quid pro quo, and make her answer the goddamn questions or lose the platform you're giving her for selling her cheap wares. #carrieprejean
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I've called these anti-gay-marriage laws Jym Crow laws before and I've gotten dinged for it. But what else can we call it? There is legislation on the books in Washington State right now that fits, to a T, the definition of "separate but equal."
The argument that it's not akin to racism or Jim Crow is, what? That JC laws were far more strict? Of course they were, but we've evolved since then. And forget marriage. Let's talk about the military. People of all skin colors are allowed to serve openly in the military. And yet gays are not. Both traits are something beyond the individual's control. Thus discrimination based on those lines is undeniably bigoted and disgusting.
There is no difference at work here. I know that sex is taboo, and especially the idea of two guys butt-fucking is absolutely heinous and repulsive to many people, but it is a fact of humanity. To self-righteously deny the fundamental right to equality of 30 million Americans (and counting), because you find the idea of two penises touching, is to cast this country in a public light of immaturity and ignorance. Is that really the face we want to present while going forward in this globalized world?
I'm so ashamed of America and Americans--of Californians, of Maineiacs, of harpies like Carrie Prejean and those that give her airtime.
Your grandchildren are going to look at you with deep shame. What pockmarks on history you are. What dumps. What wrecks. What fucking relics. #carrieprejean
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It's a lot of things. Fighting for that 'in your living room/at the bar/at your parent's house/at work' gets old after awhile. Wake up, yawn, I am a faggot, how can I be good today. #carrieprejean
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Spokeswoman also said that legalizing gay marriage would lead to "teaching homosexuality in schools," whatever the hell that means. When I pressed her for details she couldn't explain or elaborate on the concept. It was just a "slippery slope" to let gays get married. But, "It's not that we're against gay people or their rights." It's just that we're so desperate to keep them as second-class citizens that we're going to make up reasons why they shouldn't get married.
It also annoys the hell out of me when Conservatives complain about "liberal bias" in the media when all they do is talk shit and expect journalists to regurgitate their bigotry. I write for a news wire in California, and every freaking statement we get from the state Republican Party is 100 percent vitriolic/ douchy. Insults, name-calling, condescension. Instead of "Democrat" or "public option," they say "the tax and spend crowd" and "socialized medicine." Then they cry foul if journalists don't repeat their propaganda.
My attitude is screw it, if you don't give me something other than juvenile name-calling, I'm not quoting you. It makes me want to tell their spokesman, "You do realize that if I refer to Democrats as the 'tax and spend crowd' for you, it's only fair that I quote the Democrats who call you the 'soulless vampires who profit off human suffering' crowd. That's cool with you, right?"
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When Hilllary ran for POTUS, she did so wanting white women to claim the under-privileged status of all women. Then she winked and said, "Vote for me, I'm white." It's one of the main reasons she lost. The Clintons had enormous sympatico from many black voters. It ended there.
Racism is a horrible thing to wrangle in the world. So is homophobia. So is sexism. But they're not the same things.
That said, I feel you, Richard Lawson. I hate the Christalibans claiming their gawd supports their hate. I hate the politicization of gaydom as if it were a choice. And I will not stand silent in the face of that fuckery. But I won't let that struggle get twisted, either. There are black gays and lesbians whose struggles are something that would make yours seem merely inconvenient, in comparison.
I say this with love. L O V E. #carrieprejean
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this means i'm pulling my recurring contribution to rob miller (semper fi) for congress, will no longer volunteer for OFA, and will not send any money for anyone's campaign until DADT is repealed.
i don't give a shit that the push is for healthcare right now (even the AMA called for DADT's repeal) and although the "strategy" (per thehill.com) is to put it into next years defense bill: fuck that - i too am ashamed and disgusted by prejean and her stupid fucking neocon platform created on the backs of "gay men and women her entire pageant career" and i'm *really* sick and tired of all these dick-swinging baby boomer politician hypocrites and their desperate, money-grabbing pandering to sick ideals that divide and destroy.
and i really fucking hate that mom with 3 wild kids and her stupid toaster oven minivan avatar.
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At the risk of sounding like a sycophant, Richard Lawson is right. This "referendum" on ghey marriage is Jim Crow 2009. #carrieprejean
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Try to remember that people are murdered for all kinds of reasons-- because they are black, because they are gay, because they are women, because they are alive--- there are murderers who will kill anyone for anything. State sanctioned murders of black people by police are still occurring. Not so for the white gays.
That's why homophobia is not equivalent to racism. Gay-hate is bad enough. To conflate it with racism is just incorrect. Being white, gay, and racist, is not the rarity that this illegitimate interpretation confers. #carrieprejean
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I understand that you don't want to water down the significance of Jim Crow by lumping in other persecuted segments of society. Nor am I trying to diminish the African American condition in modern day America - particularly as it relates to our justice system. What I am trying to say is that regardless of whatever minority segment one belongs to, any form of discrimination is wrong. To make it a contest of who struggles more dilutes any struggle as you're shifting the focus of injustice to who has it worse. You're basically reducing it to a pissing contest.
So - if someone who is ghey wants to liken his or her current struggle to that of *any* persecuted group, then I am certainly not going to stop him and I will *still* continue to support him in his fight for equality. As I said, this referendum and socially accepted form of bigotry is the Jim Crow of 2009.
I don't think you're limiting inequality but I think you're getting a bit hung up on the verbiage (and the whole prison bit - really? Someone has to be wrongfully incarcerated based on colour for discrimination to actually be classified as such???) and you're missing the intent. To me, *all* forms of bigotry are fundamentally wrong and need to be eradicated - not limited to race. #carrieprejean
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@Richard Lawson: #carrieprejean
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Have you ever met an old Carpenter? They have an innate ability to set a nail on a piece of wood and - in one smooth, beautiful motion - drive it to the head with a stroke of the hammer. This thing looks like that thing. #carrieprejean
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As your post demonstrates, neither is stereotyping, name-calling, or using the f-word like a kid home alone who just found the key to the liquor cabinet.
But you'll get no argument from me about Carrie Prejean, whose words and behavior were the creepiest, most sickening spectacle I can recall from all my years of watching Larry King's shows. One more smarmy "inappropriate" out of her mouth might have had me running for the porcelain bus.
CNN's down-the-middle tightrope act often spawns sideshows that perform a needed service by deftly luring right-wingers into making asses of themselves. Unfortunately I'm not sure the Prejean travesty rises to that level. Most viewers not already horrified by this "monster" (Richard Lawson's perfect epithet) probably thought Larry was owned. As hard-boiled as LK is, I'm guessing he has regrets about this one. He is above all a storyteller, and I can understand why he decided to gamble on Carrie Prejean, but in hindsight it's painfully clear he shouldn't have allowed himself to be part of this particular book tour.
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If you are going to hate me in a thread, at least do it in a subject that we disagree. I suspect we have plenty of options. #carrieprejean
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Lacking faith, love, compassion, modesty, humility, and any other discernible virtue, hers is not so much a religion as a membership in a hateful club. #carrieprejean
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She goes on TV and doesn't say a single thing that can be considered a Christian thing to say. Everything she says can be encapsulated in: "Christianity is No. 1!"
She is NOT Christian. Attacking her (and people like her) is NOT the same thing as attacking Christianity.
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Two things you said really strike me. First, religion (at least organized religion) really is the enemy. The things that are done and said in its name are appalling. Second, progressive ideas are always eventually realized. What is horrific is the number of people who have to suffer prior to realization. If the idea is going to be realized, why do we have to go through all the intermediate horror? Why can't the troglodytes simply see the writing on the wall? #carrieprejean
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It's the damnable Sarah Palin that we need concern ourselves with. Because that loony demonfuck could actually drum up enough support to make a real presidential bid come 2012. And that, my friend, is the real worry. Just like we all thought, hell knew, that Bush was dumb, crazy, egotistical, manically incapable of running this country, and that there was no way he could win a second term (Thank you John Kerry for being unelectable despite the Guy Smiley chin) he was elected again. Ms. Palin is on all levels the frigging mold Bush was cut from. That's the bigoted loon we should be fighting to keep off the airwaves, off the national radar, out of the clutches of the GOP. No one will take up the mantle of false Christianity like she will. No one will propagandize every right or freedom each of us holds dear or wishes fervently they had, like she. None will exclude every minority she can think of with more efficiency, than that piece of turd shit walking.
So, I applaud your hate of bible toting machinations of epic evil, like Prejean and her ilk, but let's also be very, very afraid of the ones who have half of America's ear right now, and be diligent in outing them as wannabe demigods and terrible, terrible, humans whenever possible.
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This is not to say that being black or gay or both, renders one incapable of needing some jailin'. And the struggle in westworld goes back further than Stonewall-- Oscar Wilde went to prison for being out.
But the ridiculum of fighting about gay marriage or DADT or any of that fuckery, just because the zombie jesus crowd says so, is outrageous. They're despicable. And they come in all colors. #carrieprejean
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Going to jail JUST for being black, is really fucked up. I used that as a common example of the differences between racism and homophobia. Neither are right. And one thing is not EXACTLY like the other. They are both forms of bigotry, and they are both outrageous and unacceptable.
I loved Richard Lawson's comment, but it was incorrect on that point. The denial of civil rights is the denial of civil rights. Homophobia and racism are not equivalents. It's not a pissing contest. It's fact.
Again. I say this with love. L O V E #carrieprejean
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What an bigoted ass you are. #carrieprejean
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And you're naive if you think Palin isn't part of this GOP sanctioned Conservative Christian (Reich) Right movement.
And I'm (an bigot. Heh.) because I think Palin, Prejean, and the like, (maybe you, I don't know) are dangerous because of their bigoted, exclusionary, racist ideologies? Wow. I'm always baffled by what you come up with. Just like how there were no racists at that teabagger anti-Obama protest you and I discussed last week, eh?
Troll. #carrieprejean
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As long as there is some sort of minority there will be ignorance to keep them down. It's sad that there is this constant hate and fear of smaller groups of people that exists in our society. In order for bigots like Carrie to get away with their comments and views they stand behind the facade of religion. That bitch is getting what she deserves the cracks in her facade are widening and now everyone is finding out what a lying slut she really is. Everyone like her gets their comeuppance sooner or later. #carrieprejean
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As long as there is some sort of minority there will be ignorance to keep them down. It's sad that there is this constant hate and fear of smaller groups of people that exists in our society. In order for bigots like Carrie to get away with their comments and views they stand behind the facade of religion. That bitch is getting what she deserves the cracks in her facade are widening and now everyone is finding out what a lying slut she really is. Everyone like her gets their comeuppance sooner or later. #carrieprejean
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She then made the 'lifestyle choice' to be hateful.
That stank, hate-filled shits like her are given platforms to spout their filth is what's incomprehensible to me right now. Larry is too damn old not to know better. He shouldn't be let off the hook for continuing to hoist that mental larva up to the hive-tit to suckle. Shame on him. #carrieprejean
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Gay people come in ALL colors, sizes, and ages. Civil rights are for everyone, ALL THE MOTHERFUCKING TIME. There is no future where it gets all appropriate and shit, for CIVIL RIGHTS FOR EVERYONE. The time is NOW.
Not then. Not later. NOW. #carrieprejean
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You project all this hate and spit all this vile poison at people.
It is actually kind of sad. It has gotten to the point where you hate someone for things you think they might do/say vs what they actually have said or done.
Prejean/Palin are no more racist or bigoted than Obama, Clinton, Reid. Especially on this subject so why don't you lay off?
Look in the mirror if you want to find the real bigot. #carrieprejean
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Okay, so what now? I'm a bigot AND sad because Palin and crew like to spew hate, and then play the victims when it comes right back at them, usually by calling all opponents racist, to skew their own discriminatory inklings? Newt tried it. Limbaugh does it. O'Reilly...actually every conservative yahoo, you included, does this. Coinkidink? Naw. Overplayed strategy.
It almost works until you roll the beautiful bean footage of all of them holding court at town halls, on their radio/tv shows, on Facebook, in speeches, calling people terrorists, insinuating Obama is a "Kenyan not an "Merican", that he's here to harm our grannies, that 'dem 'dere gays shouldn't be able to love and marry who they want 'cause the bible says...oh wait, I mean the parts of the bible that suit me say..., that stem cell research is against God, forsakes the purity of, of...dying cord blood? that the private decision of abortion should have anything to do with someone other than the woman and her doctor, and let's not forget that guns should be in the hands of any gosh darn person (crazy fucking monster) that wants one (cause he's 'Merican), and that the big Black man in the white house will destroy this great, great, country...why? 'Cause he wants healthcare for all, wants equality and justice, and would love to just do his job without the ridiculous banter from the Right. (Frickin V is an anti-Obama plot worth discussing conservative fools?) Sounded good on FoxNews, I guess.
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No one has said this. Especially not in this tone. You probably don't know that because you reading list is composed of this site and HuffPo. For someone who tried to hit me on "talking points" you stick pretty close to the list yourself.
Reflexively disliking a person due to their religious beliefs is being a bigot. You seem to fit that bill nicely.
For a moment I almost wish you would get the country you seem to want so badly and then you would see why you are so wrong. Unfortunately I would have to suffer that too so I will fight now to ensure that doesn't happen. #carrieprejean
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And I don't reflexively dislike anyone because of their religious beliefs unless they use and pervert that religion to suit their own cause, discriminate against someone else, hold another to a standard that they themselves distort, outright contradict, or disregard, or spout baseless tripe disguised as religion in order to sway the thoughts and ideals of others. Yeah, those people I dislike. Those people are dangerous. Those people have been the cause of some of the most heinous acts in history. So enough with the bigot bullshit. You're playing games here, and you damn well know it. It's idiotic, transparent, and yes, this is a bit overused...fucking lame.
For a moment I almost wish you would get the country you seem to want so badly and then you would see why you are so wrong. Unfortunately I would have to suffer that too so I will fight now to ensure that doesn't happen.
Ah, and now I remember what happened last week, when last we debated, it dissolved into silly on your part. And now we're back. #carrieprejean
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Against the science itself...not so much
Against abortion...check. I guess it blows your mind that someone would be against killing unborn children. Says a lot about you actually.
Against gay marriage...check (I guess). It seems though that that particular charge is prevalent through a majority of the American population. I don't really have a dog in the fight but it has gone 0-31 so far. I don't the it is all the "religious right".
Those statements about Obama (besides the Kenya one) are all somewhat true in the context they are being used. After the shit talking liberals did for the last 8 years there will be a lot less respect this time around.
Which "heinous acts" are you talking about? I just wanted to get a timeline here. Anything this century? Anything in the last 50 years?
Face it white, religious people are just easy targets to you and your ilk because no one calls you on your bullshit. Meanwhile you vote ridiculous know nothings into office who still can't pass any legislation with majorities in both houses.
Enjoy your fantasy land because I don't think it will be around much longer.
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AND we just found our racism. How do you know I'm not white? Of course not, right? I couldn't be white and not think like you, right?
Bingo. Yeah, we're done here. #carrieprejean
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Yougeauxgirl! #carrieprejean
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The paragraph you quoted is meant to point out that the things you say about "white, religious people" you would never have the balls (figuratively) to say about a Muslim, Jew, black person, or any other mix of nationalities. Hell I don't even think you would take that bullshit you are spouting down to a church in Spanish Harlem or a Southern Baptist one.
Your "ilk" refers to screechy liberal types, just so you don't get confused.
I will try to spell it out better for you in the future so we don't have a mix up again.
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And also, you mental athlete, you don't know my race, nationality, religion, gender, or what I would or would not say to anyone (even though I can guarantee it wouldn't be that lunacy you created to justify your racist comment above.) And even you going there to begin with was ridiculous. See, this is what happens when you get all personal and shit. You look like a dumb ass. Let's just end this here before continuing solidifies everyone's notion that you are indeed incapable of rational, logical, linear thought. Although it's mostly too late.
(i.e. in case you don't understand...by trying to clean up your aforementioned racist comment, you have succeeded in saying something equally, if not more, offensive. Sheesh.)
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I don't know exactly what your nationality, religion, gender but based on your avatar, what you write, your resorting to name calling, and that you like Firefly I can put together a pretty accurate picture of you.
We will end it but will probably take it up again later when you make anther hate filled comment against perfectly nice people. #carrieprejean
11/13/09
Aww, I've never given you this much thought. Do you need flowers, urm...an enema or something? I'm flattered, though. (gasp) Are you one of my Gawker followers?! (giggles). Are you a Luck Dragon stalker?! (preens.) Is there a collage of Firefly screencaps on your PC with a post-it that says, "Spirit Fingers loves this. Must be the sign of the devil! Beelzebub, I say! Will find and destroy everything, just everything, and Gawker is the way!" (I'm willing to sign an autograph upon our next meeting.)
You're completely enjoyable. Despite the delusions. Buck up, Sunshine! Your battle for lucidity doesn't have to begin today! Baby steps. or whatever.
(perfectly nice people. HA! So quaint. I loved that. ) #carrieprejean
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I was annoyed that we had something in common. #carrieprejean
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You know what I just realized this reminds me of?
Specifically the erratic "I think you are being... extremely... inappropriate right now" part?
Kelly Bensimon's epic sit down with Bethenny Frankel at the Brass Monkey on The Real Housewives of New York. #carrieprejean
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Also, morality or politics aside, I think she disqualified herself as Miss California by just sounding like an airhead, both here and with Hannity a few days ago. Not that beauty contestants are expected to possess Nobel-caliber intelligence, but we do (I do, anyway) expect them to be polished, even if the content of their replies are vapid.
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...especially if they're selling a book. #carrieprejean
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