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    Image of kappakappaspankme kappakappaspankme
    05:43 AM

    In reply to The Decade Reality Evolved into a Beautiful Beast
    :sigh:

    The highly underrated Bands on the Run was overlooked. You people have no soul.
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    Image of ClockOnTheStove ClockOnTheStove
    12/16/09

    In reply to The Decade Reality Evolved into a Beautiful Beast
    Don't forget Trailer Fabulous and MILF Island!
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    Image of crookedE crookedE
    12/16/09

    In reply to The Decade Reality Evolved into a Beautiful Beast
    I also love "How Not To Decorate" on BBC. A perfect example of the gays' dominance in this genre.
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    Image of TheUptightMidwesterner TheUptightMidwesterner
    12/16/09

    In reply to The Decade Reality Evolved into a Beautiful Beast
    I have never, ever watched Suvivor or American Idol.
    This makes me somewhat notorious among my friends and coworkers.
    I haven't been
    consciously avoiding the shows, I just cannot remember when these things are on.
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    Image of JennaW JennaW
    12/16/09

    @TheUptightMidwesterner: I watched a single episode of Idol under duress (trapped in a laundromat), and it was like the semifinals or something (it was the season Fantasia won).

    Everyone -- and I mean everyone including Fantasia -- started their song off-key. Appalling.
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    Image of Spirit Fingers Spirit Fingers
    12/16/09

    In reply to The Decade Reality Evolved into a Beautiful Beast
    Gotta add my two cents in here, bubbe. Where do we put in star-maker shows starring useless second-string talent like P.Diddy's Making a Band out of a Band, under a Band, using a Band to smack a Band, and then taking Rev Run and Joey Fatone and making a salad of dance-a-sing-a-rap-beatings that do their thing in a singing bee (the hell did this even mean?!), walked to Brooklyn for cheesecake (Loved that!), or made family-style rap in a Bill Cosby/Father Knows Adidas Best kind of way, and then mixing that genre with legitimate crazy reality (Cheaters) and wonderfully done documentaries (Meerkat Manor RIP Flower, forever.)?

    There's just so much reality. Remember when getting real meant jumping into a pool/hot tub/Trichelle naked?
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    Image of daveyjonesisdead daveyjonesisdead
    12/16/09

    In reply to The Decade Reality Evolved into a Beautiful Beast
    Who's the girl in the top picture? At first I thought, an early Allison.
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    Image of Brian Moylan Brian Moylan
    12/16/09

    @daveyjonesisdead: She's some girl on Australia's Next Top Model.
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    Image of OldTowneTavern OldTowneTavern
    12/16/09

    @Brian Moylan: Oh, I thought she was Emma Roberts (who has nothing to do with reality TV, unless it's Cribs).
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    Image of BookishLatkeish BookishLatkeish
    12/16/09

    In reply to The Decade Reality Evolved into a Beautiful Beast
    Of all these shows, the only one I have only seen is "Queer Eye," and that was about three years ago.

    Don't you people have sex? Where do you get all this time to watch TV?
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    Image of ChampagneSherpa ChampagneSherpa
    12/16/09

    @BookishLatkeish: Jet Blue. Flavor of Love from coast to coast.
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    Image of BookishLatkeish BookishLatkeish
    12/16/09

    @ChampagneSherpa: From you, I would expect nothing less!
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    Image of Astigmatism Astigmatism
    12/16/09

    In reply to The Decade Reality Evolved into a Beautiful Beast
    The Joe Schmo Show. I'm not sure where to fit it into your classification system; maybe it needs its own category, "Apotheosis". Introduced Kristen Wiig to the world, was hysterical in its own right, and made us feel exactly as bad as we deserved to for watching it and all the other reality crap on TV these days. God bless that show.
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    Image of Beau Nerd Beau Nerd
    12/16/09

    @Astigmatism: I remember that show but I did not remember that Kristen Wiig was in it. Holy cow that is so cool.
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    Image of Magister Magister
    12/16/09

    In reply to The Decade Reality Evolved into a Beautiful Beast
    All in all, a good list and I agree with most of the classifications, but wasn't there a Fox show where they put a bunch of couples on an island to see if producers could get them to cheat?

    I believe it was called Temptation Island and it has to qualify as one of the lowest lights, ever. IMHO
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    Image of Brian Moylan Brian Moylan
    12/16/09

    @Magister: OH, yes. A horribly great show.
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    Image of DahlELama DahlELama
    12/16/09

    @Magister: YES. Holy crap, I loved that show. Forget reality shows; that was one of the lowest lights of human existence, ever.
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    Image of TriedandTrue TriedandTrue
    12/16/09

    @Magister: Yes! Then they created Paradise Hotel. And then used many of those Paradise Hotel people for the boat one - Love Cruise? Love Boat? Something like that. I had forgotten about these.
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    Image of Muggs Bigglesworth Muggs Bigglesworth
    12/16/09

    @Magister: I'd argue that the one show where they hooked your spouse up to a lie detector and then asked them if they cheated on you (and almost always they did) was even lower.

    But who knows where rock bottom may be? I'm still holding out hope for the porn-reality show (WORKING TITLE: Lickedy Split) or something involving a senator. What about "Make Me a Muppet?" Or maybe even, "Dude, where's my Student Aid?"

    That last one may actually work, btw.
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    Image of Magister Magister
    12/16/09

    @Brian Moylan: & @DahlELama: It was kind of delicious to look at in a soft-core type of way, but the wife really didn't appreciate the concept, for sure.
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    Image of crookedE crookedE
    12/16/09

    @Magister: YES! Temptation Island was deliciously terrible.
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    Image of senatormayer senatormayer
    12/16/09

    In reply to The Decade Reality Evolved into a Beautiful Beast
    I've only seen one of those and that was American Idle. Though I haven't even seen that in five years. I don't know who half or even the majority of people mentioned on Gawker are.

    I'm not sure why I come here everyday.
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    Image of Smitros Smitros
    12/16/09

    In reply to The Decade Reality Evolved into a Beautiful Beast
    There are a bunch of lesser cable versions of these as well.

    The majority of them--and Launch My Line is likely no exception--serve to keep some dubious characters in one place and safely away from the rest of us for a while.
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    Image of TriedandTrue TriedandTrue
    12/16/09

    In reply to The Decade Reality Evolved into a Beautiful Beast
    I would also add that the impending writers and actors strikes helped to spur on the reality genre. Executives scrambled to find shows that would continue should the unions decided to go on strike and this genre fit the bill. It was after the impending strike passed that executives realized this type of show was cheaper to make than a scripted show with real actors.
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    Image of Brian Moylan Brian Moylan
    12/16/09

    @TriedandTrue: Excellent point.
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    Image of crookedE crookedE
    12/16/09

    @TriedandTrue: definitely. Survivor coincided pretty perfectly with the actors' commercial strike back in 2000.
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    Image of sweetpickles sweetpickles
    12/16/09

    In reply to The Decade Reality Evolved into a Beautiful Beast
    I think you forgot the Internet genre, where you highlight blogs like this, which created Julia Alison and other fame whoring parasites--who now appear on this reality teevee you speak of.
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    Image of DahlELama DahlELama
    12/16/09

    In reply to The Decade Reality Evolved into a Beautiful Beast
    You had me until you chose The Hills over The City. That's just crazy talk.
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    Image of Brian Moylan Brian Moylan
    12/16/09

    @DahlELama: While The City is clearly the better show, The Hills still beats it in ratings (barely) and cultural relevance. Betsey Morgenstern is just as mad at the decision as you are.
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    Image of DahlELama DahlELama
    12/16/09

    @Brian Moylan: Fair enough, but if we're going by cultural relevance, I'm not sure that two episodes of Jersey Shore is gonna knock 20+ seasons of The Real World out of the top spot. Although, JS did explain the origins of the poof, so I suppose we can call it even.
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    Image of TriedandTrue TriedandTrue
    12/16/09

    @DahlELama: See - I have to disagree with that. While Real World has volume, they don't have the quality. ESPECIALLY the more recent seasons. I stopped watching right around Real World Vegas but even leading up to Vegas, there are not a lot of seasons I remember to be so entertaining as JS. And this is just two episodes in - just imagine what they have in store for us over the coming weeks.
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    Image of DahlELama DahlELama
    12/16/09

    @TriedandTrue: You're actually not disagreeing with me; you're just arguing quality over cultural relevance, which is what started this thread in the first place. Sure Jersey Shore is better than The Real World, but there's no arguing that RW tops, well, every other reality show ever with regard to cultural relevance--it comes with the territory of basically creating the genre. However, if quality truly was more important, then The City would have beaten out The Hills. Therefore, if The Hills beats The City, then Real World should beat Jersey Shore.
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    Image of TriedandTrue TriedandTrue
    12/16/09

    @DahlELama: But can't you say that at some point, that relevance is diminished?
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    Image of DahlELama DahlELama
    12/16/09

    @TriedandTrue: Well, I think I'm looking at it from a micro-relevance vs. macro-relevance perspective. From a micro-relevance perspective, RW is down there with Chopped and all the other shows no one else gives a crap about. However, you can't strip the macro-relevance from the show that will always be credited with starting it all. It's not one of those things where people have basically forgotten the origin; everyone knows that for better or for worse, this all started with the Real World, and hence, I'll have to argue for sufficient continued relevance.

    Oh, and yes, I do hate myself for the embarrassing level of analysis I have devoted to this subject matter. Thanks for asking.
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    Image of Brian Moylan Brian Moylan
    12/16/09

    @DahlELama: While The Real World has great historical significance as one of the greats of the genre, I think the current seasons don't have the significance that Jersey Shore is currently enjoying. When was the last time a Real World cast member was on Conan? When was the last time a clip from The Real World went viral? When was the last time it was protested?
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    Image of TriedandTrue TriedandTrue
    12/16/09

    @DahlELama: Fair enough - I understand where you are coming from.
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    Image of DahlELama DahlELama
    12/16/09

    @Brian Moylan: Hmm, you do raise some good points. It's interesting that not many other reality stars get picked up for things like the talk show circuit. As for the Real World going viral, well, had viral video been around when the Real World started, it would've been a whole different story. Don't forget that before the teacher and Snooki, there was Stephen and Irene.
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    Image of TriedandTrue TriedandTrue
    12/16/09

    @DahlELama: Did Puck get any late night shows after he was dismissed? I am trying to remember if I saw him on anything other than the reunion show.
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    Image of DahlELama DahlELama
    12/16/09

    @TriedandTrue: You would think, but I don't really remember him getting any additional attention. Obviously Pedro was a big deal, and Jamie from San Diego actually gets acting roles every now and again, but on the whole, these people really just faded into the background.
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    Image of TriedandTrue TriedandTrue
    12/16/09

    @DahlELama: That's another good point. Whereas today's other reality people do quite a bit to stay in the lime light, RW stars just went back to normal-ish lives (with the exception of a few like Trishelle).
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    Image of Brian Moylan Brian Moylan
    12/16/09

    @DahlELama: You are right, but when was Stephen and Irene? Was that even this decade?

    The "reigning champion" is who is champ now. No doubt when all is tallied on the judgment day, Real World will take the category.
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    Image of DahlELama DahlELama
    12/16/09

    @Brian Moylan: I will certainly concede the following: No one on the Real World ever had a name as great as "The Situation."
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    Image of no I said no I won't no no I said no I won't no
    12/16/09

    @DahlELama: They did fade, because they were there before all you had to do to get "famous" and lots of follow-on work was be a total ass. In today's world, Puck would have a talk show and Rachel would be a Fox News commenter on Day 2 post-RW. Pam and What's-His-Face the cartoonist would have a reality show and be divorced publicly as well.

    A few years ago, I flipped on a new RW and tried. but every one of the girls looked like the others, and every one of the guys looked like the others, and all they did was hook up. No interesting Dominick or that blonde guy in a punkish band who bit the other guy's tongue. Sure as heck no bible-totin' country boys. Just bland, not-quite-jersey types.
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    Image of TriedandTrue TriedandTrue
    12/16/09

    @no I said no I won't no: Real World London! I remember that band/episode. Can't remember his name though.
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    Image of TedSez TedSez
    12/16/09

    In reply to The Decade Reality Evolved into a Beautiful Beast
    Then: Writers + actors = drama.

    Now: Douchebags + tequila = "drama."
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