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    Image of Novaload Novaload
    10/31/09

    In reply to Nobody Loves Weepy VP Joe
    Biden was the most inscrutable choice, ever, for VP. Instead of "change" Obama brought out an old hack, who had trouble with both truth telling, even during the campaign, and with inserting his foot into his mouth. Oh, to know what kind of negotiation that was, to get him on the ticket---except, perhaps to allay terrified old white guys who feared a woman and a (half)black man on the ticket would bring on the apocalypse. #joebiden
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    10/30/09

    In reply to Nobody Loves Weepy VP Joe
    apparently I am in the minority, but I love Joe Biden! I think he's like the lovable Steve Urkel of the White House. He comes in, says stupid stuff, knocks shit over, and is like "Did I do that?" Oh Joe. #joebiden
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    10/30/09

    In reply to Nobody Loves Weepy VP Joe
    Joe Biden is everything thats wrong and fucked up with congress. This dope won his seat in the Senate when he was 29 and has never had another job until being VP. He has learned about as much about how the country works from his perch in DC as Palin learned about Russia from staring at it. He is walking proof we need term limits.

    And he doesn't drink. I don't trust people who don't drink, unless they've already been alcoholics. #joebiden
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    Image of Motoko Kusanagi Motoko Kusanagi
    10/30/09

    In reply to Nobody Loves Weepy VP Joe
    Why is it that I feel compelled to defend Gawker's subject matter against the editors/writers at least once a day lately?

    Either this new crop of staff writers is utterly fucked, or the editorial direction has taken a nosedive, or both.

    Is there some negative correlation between the quality of stories and the quality of AJAX/CSS? #joebiden
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    10/30/09

    @Motoko Kusanagi: From where I'm standing, it would appear to be a positive correlation. It's a good day when I get tripped up by fewer than five unresponsive scripts, infinite waits for comments to load or what have you. #joebiden
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    Motoko Kusanagi promoted this comment romulus was starred romulus was unstarred
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    10/30/09

    @romulus: The site gets prettier, and the content gets lamer. Just callin it as I see it. #joebiden
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    10/30/09

    @Motoko Kusanagi: Oh yeah, I didn't mean to quibble. I agree that the site gets fancier all the time, but features seem to break often. I should have added before that it could well be my OS and browser causing headaches most readers don't experience. And in all fairness, I haven't been reading long enough to judge contemporary content against the past. #joebiden
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    10/30/09

    In reply to Nobody Loves Weepy VP Joe
    Not sure what point you're trying to make, Amrita... that you think Cheney's worldview makes some sense? That Cheney was initially popular, before everything he did brought his popularity rating to a low of 28%? I love it that Biden is willing to call a moron a moron. This is a ridiculous post. #joebiden
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    10/30/09

    In reply to Nobody Loves Weepy VP Joe
    Oh, and if you're trying to poke fun at Vice Prez Biden for weeping during the debate when he spoke about his first wife and baby daughter who died, well then, that's just messed up. #joebiden
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    10/31/09

    @Conchie Birdie: One might argue that it was the worst kind of political hackdom for him to bring them up expressly to show his "empathy" side and try to squeeze a tear out of his plastic-surgeryized eye slots. #joebiden
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    10/30/09

    In reply to Nobody Loves Weepy VP Joe
    I'm absolutely NOT a supporter of ANYTHING Dick says... but, Good Lawwd, Biden, Bin Laden will always BE a part of the issue. I'm sorry, I guess if you had the prez saying this I could understand... but, uh, Joe? Nope.

    That being said, why are we posting crap from Fox News anyway - I thought we weren't supposed to take this stuff seriously?
    #joebiden
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    Image of BrendaGlocks BrendaGlocks
    08/19/09

    In reply to Dawn of the Chimpanzee! (Relax Folks, They're Just a Metaphor)
    If you remove the chimpanzee "metaphor"... is there anything in the content that isn't true? Is it just the imagery that upsets?
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    MissNormaDesmond promoted this comment Gabriel Snyder approved this comment BrendaGlocks was starred BrendaGlocks was unstarred
    Image of MissNormaDesmond MissNormaDesmond
    08/19/09

    @BrendaGlocks: Actually, there's plenty in the content that isn't vaguely true. Where was Meir Kahane from? Oh, right, the U.S. Portraying this debate as if it's not actually the U.S. that feeds a lot of the fanaticism in Israel, rather than the other way around, is stupid and simplistic. If I were one of the many Israelis who's worked hard for a peaceful solution only to watch nuts from the U.S. push hatred and bile, I'd be so frustrated and furious with this inane crap I'd want to puke.
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    08/19/09

    @MissNormaDesmond: What about the comic is inconsistent with your criticism? It is a satire of very specific organizations and attitudes in the "affiliated" Jewish community in the United States. "Fuel for Chimpanzee Truth" (to use one example, on the t-shirt in the lower left panel) is based on this much-lauded extremist organization "Fuel for Truth."
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    This comic is a satire of American Jewish education and activism more than anything else. It's why I devoted 75 percent of the panels to America, not Israel.

    There are valid criticisms to be made of the comic, but I don't understand why you felt I was giving the U.S. a free pass. The comic is focused on the U.S.
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    Gabriel Snyder promoted this comment EV was starred EV was unstarred
    Image of MissNormaDesmond MissNormaDesmond
    08/19/09

    @EV: This would be why I called the comic ham-handed in another comment. I understand the point you're trying to make, but I think you're making it very badly. By putting the chimps in Israel and the supposedly more evolved beings here, you're implying that the problem originates in Israel, and that people have to be sent there to be infected with "chimpism". It very much doesn't -- it originates in both places. Again, Meir Kahane, one of the best known and most rabid fanatics of this sort, was born and raised here. So was Baruch Goldstein, author of the Cave of the Patriarchs massacre. Meanwhile, Amos Oz is Israeli by birth. Who's the chimp?
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    Image of MissNormaDesmond MissNormaDesmond
    08/19/09

    @MissNormaDesmond: In other words, the problem isn't that your metaphor is offensive, it's that it's inapt.
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    08/19/09

    @MissNormaDesmond: Thanks, I agree that it's a valid criticism when considering specific individuals here and in Israel. But the comic is a metaphor not for individuals but for ideology -- of the concept of Israel as the Homeland to which all American Jews should aspire if they seek pride and perfection -- and from this perspective, I felt that apes were the best metaphor to point out the absurdity of such concepts of physical and spiritual evolution. (For what it's worth, Zionist ideology has spoken from the start not only of spiritual ascent but of physical "betterment" as well.)

    But yes, if we're speaking about specific individuals, the two people you mentioned would be chimpanzees. But both of these people moved to Israel to live out their ideology -- so even by that standard, I think it's consistent within the metaphorical framework of the comic.

    Mostly, though, the comic isn't meant to be a litmus test of who's a chimpanzee and who isn't. It's meant to be a condemnation of formal and informal education among the actively engaged Jewish communities of the Diaspora.
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    Image of MissNormaDesmond MissNormaDesmond
    08/19/09

    @EV: Right, and I think you could have found a better metaphor for doing that that wouldn't have the implications this one does. A virus, perhaps? Particularly as it didn't take several generations for people like Kahane and Goldstein to show up -- they came and brought the chimpiness all by themselves. Kahane, in particular, created Kach, after all.

    Sorry for the earlier double post, by the way, I had no idea I'd done that.
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    Edited by MissNormaDesmond at 08/19/09 5:11 PM MissNormaDesmond was starred MissNormaDesmond was unstarred
    Image of wanderer wanderer
    08/19/09

    In reply to Dawn of the Chimpanzee! (Relax Folks, They're Just a Metaphor)
    So what if children are indoctrinated to love Israel? They don't vote, nor do they carry guns. Most of them grow up to be free-thinking people, who may not agree with Israeli policy but still love the country. The strategy worked well, and now there is the real possibility of a lasting Jewish state, side by side with a Palestinian one. If not for our Jewish education, we might have forgotten about Israel a long time ago. Certainly every other country has.

    America should have condemned unjust Israeli policy years ago, but the Christian right is as much to blame as the ultra-Zionists. Clearly their influence is waning.
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    Image of iplaudius iplaudius
    08/18/09

    In reply to Dawn of the Chimpanzee! (Relax Folks, They're Just a Metaphor)
    So, if they’re all monkeys, I suppose the superior Children of the Enlightenment ought to move in and build a zoo.
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    08/18/09

    In reply to Dawn of the Chimpanzee! (Relax Folks, They're Just a Metaphor)
    How did the peaceful mice manage to evolve into warring chimpanzees so quickly?
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    raincoaster promoted this comment Edited by Bitrex at 08/18/09 7:05 PM Bitrex was starred Bitrex was unstarred
    Image of Foster Kamer Foster Kamer
    08/18/09

    In reply to Dawn of the Chimpanzee! (Relax Folks, They're Just a Metaphor)
    No "Fucking Jews" tag for Eli? Sad.
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    Image of Gabriel Snyder Gabriel Snyder
    08/18/09

    @Foster Kamer: I figured Eli's in enough trouble with Abe Foxman as it is.
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    Image of Phyllis Nefler Phyllis Nefler
    08/19/09

    @Foster Kamer: I just hope this leads to Denton re-friending Eli on Facebook.
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    08/18/09

    In reply to Dawn of the Chimpanzee! (Relax Folks, They're Just a Metaphor)
    Ultra Zionist people are pretty nuts, but they are also crafty. Growing up, my parents forced me to Hebrew school; where they had these charity boxes where you would collect money to plant trees in Israel. Great. I like trees. I'd put a quarter in the box. As it turns out, the trees are planted in "conflict zones" where Arabs dispute land in Israel. The Israeli government declares a portion of land a conflict zone and these Zionist organizations go in and plant trees there. The Arabs who would farm and herd their animals on the land were therefore excluded from it because the land was now declared a "forest" with strict ecological requirements: mainly that you couldn't enter for fear of trampling seedlings. The Zionists win because they tangled up another Arab land claim, Israeli settlers win because there are no Arabs nearby, and Americans win because they think they're protecting the environment by paying to plant trees.
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    Image of DoctorEcks DoctorEcks
    08/18/09

    In reply to Dawn of the Chimpanzee! (Relax Folks, They're Just a Metaphor)
    Um...OK. It's like some sort of confused attempt to duplicate a comic out of "Raw". As if R. Crumb had a stroke.
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    Image of MissNormaDesmond MissNormaDesmond
    08/18/09

    @DoctorEcks: I concur with your analysis.

    Seriously, I might have spiked this, not because it's too controversial, but because it's ham-handed as hell.
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