In the words of Derek Faye, "Who, dear? Me, dear? Gay, dear? No, dear!"
Also, his "singing" is atrocious. His notes were either flat or sharp (quite the accomplishment) and his tone was eerily reminiscent of a buzzsaw at a logging camp.
We have already seen the "sexy antics" as pioneered by Madonna, aped by Britney, and lampooned by countless comedians. At this point, the pointless dramatics are simply a cover for a lack of talent.
@DahlELama: Yep, but since I don't know why adults watch it, I'll pretend the over 18 audience doesn't exist. Or, even, that most of the over 18 audience are parents to the under 18 audience.
This story has really exceeded its best before date. Why the fuck should Adam Lambert be explaining himself to America's parents/ Everyone on that stage was a consenting adult. End of story. Fox News vomits out hate speech 24 hours a day. Go online and you can easily find photos of the First Lady of the United States depicted as a monkey. And folks are worried about a FAKE blowjob? Get your priorities straight parents and then maybe most of your children wouldn't be so unpleasant to deal with.
@topsy: What does the consent of the people on stage have to do with anything? The debate, such as it is, is whether it was appropriate for the audience to see, not whether anyone on stage was victimized. By that logic, we can air hardcore porn on Nickelodeon, since the participants consented.
@topsy: Actually, the "consenting" part is where I'm suddenly confused. If these parts were really "impromptu," then when and where does the consent to have your face shoved in his crotch come in? Because that's an onstage surprise I don't think I'd enjoy.
@Fuzzy Dunlop: With all due respect, what a stupid thing to say. The AMAs aren't Sponge Bob Square Pants. It's an adult show in an adult timeslot where CONSENTING adults have often taken the opportunity to express themselves in a SIMULATED sexual manner. If the kiddies were up then that's on the parents to monitor what they watch on an adult show.
This whole thing is just so absurd. Girl on girl action is practically a staple of prime time tv these days and its not even a blip on the radar with no panicked cries to save the children. I'd been more concerned with teaching today's kiddies such blatant hypocrisy Lambert came on after 11pm, so he didn't violate the family hour. Is gay sex so threatening to folks? What do you think those boys have been up to all these centuries?
@topsy: It's not so much that I think it was spontaneous as that you can't use an argument saying everyone was "consenting" when he says it was "impromptu." Why he'd prefer that people think he randomly mauled his fellow performers than that he'd rehearsed it this way is beyond me.
@topsy: Can the rage. I didn't take a position on the debate, I just said that the debate had nothing to do with the "consent" of the performers onstage, or lack thereof. Do you really disagree?
I am curious about your claim that "consenting adults have often taken the opportunity to express themselves in a simulated sexual manner" on the AMAs before. Any examples?
(Also, while you claim that girl on girl action is a staple of prime time tv these days, I must have missed all of the recent instances of simulated cunnilingus on network television. Can you give me a list of shows that have done this, so that I can add them to my TIVO list? Thanks).
He's right. Total double standard. I covered my kids' eyes during his antics, but I distinctly remember the 1980 AMAs when my father yelled, "Get in here, boy! Lionel Richie's face-fucking Donna Summers!"
My only comment is that he has really cute ears. And that dark hair dye is hilarious.
I want to see him as a blond.
I'm indifferent to the music and the performance.
Edit: I think he's got a great attitude about the thing. Kids will be fine.
I realize that I may be going against the grain, but he's an arrogant little prick. And it'll probably be a long time (or at least until he learns to see the cameras and realizes that eleven o'clock east coast is ten o'clock in the center of the country), before he gets invited to perform on another primetime network show.
Note: I wasn't personally offended, but the dude is just releasing his first album and it's a bit early to be telling parents that it's their own damn fault.
@Magister: Maybe if people reminded parents that they should be more involved in the lives of their children, this wouldn't be an issue. Adam Lambert shouldn't have to pay some sort of dues before he is entitled to an opinion.
@kappakappaspankme: What does this have to do with being more involved with your children? Letting your children watch an awards show is poor parenting now? It wasn't the Vivid Porn Star awards, it was a mainstream music awards show with performers that a lot of children listen to.
@Troy Barnhardt: What time was Adam Lambert's performance? I understand it was late in the evening which would lead me to wonder what time little kiddies go to bed. As for the older kiddies seeing it - you know what - they probably see much more interesting stuff on the internet.
If a child was exposed to a passionate kiss on television and the parties involved were hetero, would this even be an issue?
@eleusiswalks: Elvis' hip swivel. Madonna's "Like a Virgin" performance. Janet Jackson's nipple ring. - Society has survived. We'll survive Adam Lambert's randy behaviour.
@kappakappaspankme: If it were a kiss, probably not. A fake blowjob, probably, regardless of the gay / hetero angle. My wife and I kiss in front of our daughter, but I'm pretty sure we've never had oral sex in front of her. It's not quite the same thing.
I didn't see the show and couldn't really care less whether he's gay or not, but you have to admit that faking oral sex in the middle of an awards show probably wasn't the best idea.
If a woman did what he did on a non cable network, yes there would be outrage. There's a difference between MTV and ABC, so I don't know why people keep comparing the Madonna/ Britney performance to Adam Lamberts's.
And, Madonna is friggin' Madonna, Lambert hasn't put in enough work for this to be similar. If a new female artist did this, she would instantly be considered a famewhore.
@Penscribe: The reason why people are drawing a comparison to the Madonna/Britney performance is because there was :gasps: homosexual behaviour. The reason why it's not such a big deal is because it involved two attractive women and that sort of "ghey" is, apparently, permitted, if not encouraged.
People are not complaining just because of the "ghey" kiss, and I think folks are reaching with that. Whatever gets folks rile up, tho. Some people complained about Janet's boob on CBS for 2 seconds, why wouldn't you expect the same people to complain about simulated oral sex?
I'm sure SOME people are complaining because of the male on male smooch but, then again, some people complained about the Madonna/Britney/Christina Aguilera smooch.
@Penscribe: Are you sure it was on MTV? :rolls eyes:
Now - I'm not buying that whole difference between network and cable television as an excuse. If a parent is so concerned about programming that they need to rely on the FCC to regulate every last word and image, then maybe having a television set in the house isn't the best idea. Perhaps these parents would be more comfortable encouraging their children to read.
I think he's right - if a woman had done what he did, would people be so outraged?
And a footnote: people dog performers who lip sync, but when performers actually sing, they never sound as good and they get called out for actually singing. Which way do people want it?
@BowlingForDollars: Performers who actually sing generally don't get called out, because a live performance isn't usually this horrible. He is getting called out because he sucked live. And the interview indicates that even he knows it.
@BowlingForDollars: And another footnote to my original comment - if P Diddy or 50 Cent or similar had done what he did with females, would anyone care?
@BowlingForDollars: If Justin Timberlake appeared on the American Music Awards dragging one woman around on a leash and rubbing another woman's face in his crotch, people would care. I admit that the outrage wouldn't be quite as great absent the homosexual component, but it would be there.
You also have to consider the fact that this was the guy's first major televised performance that wasn't on a reality show. He hasn't banked the same type of musical credibility that other performers have, and doesn't get the same amount of leeway. If some new flavor-of-the-month 22 year old came out on stage and rubbed a woman's face in his crotch as part of his first major performance, that would certainly have repercussions.
@BowlingForDollars: Yeah, and Whitney sucked on Dancing With the Stars last night. However, these two artists are in the autumns of their otherwise laudable careers. Lambert is barely out of his training pants. He has to be good for 20 years like they were before he's allowed to suck live.
@BowlingForDollars: They get called out for grabbing their crotch, and you're questioning if they'd get called out for doing something similar to Adam Lambert on ABC?
And then came the apology to America moment: "If you had it to do over would you do anything differently?" asked Maggie Rodriguez. "I would sing it a little better."
...Good for him! This is such a stupid thing to get pissy about.
Completely fine for Madonna and Britney to suck face but heaven phucking forbid a ghey male do *anything* overtly sexual other than feeding a stereotype? I know we have done this to death over the past few days but I'm still grinding my teeth about the way he has been treated.
@kappakappaspankme: I think one thing you, and a lot of folks are overlooking is that this particular event happened on an over-the-air-network, and the Britney/Madonna thing was on cable.
While I'll grant that the major networks have to compete with the cable guys for viewers, and ergo, ad dollars, there is a difference in the standards they are held to, to a certain degree. (Yes, I know, EVERYONE has cable now, and with the digital conversion, the lines of demarcation are further blurred)
And while I don't know for sure of what came out of the MTV incident from a few years ago, I do have the feeling that PTC long ago gave a blanket 'disapprove' to MTV, so they didn't have to get up in arms everytime something they deemed offensive was aired.
@kappakappaspankme: Madonna kissed Britney on MTV, not on the Dick Clark Awards airing on a Disney-owned network and as the anchor said, the kiss is most likely not the thing prompting the complaints.
@Magister: Now, I understand that this is a movie and thus viewers aren't as likely to be caught off guard regarding "adult" behaviour but Disney is the company that brought us "Pretty Woman" and created the monster that is a seventeen year old, pole dancing Miley Cyrus. Disney is not the most stellar example of PTC pleasing, wholesome programming.
@kappakappaspankme: Billy Ray's daughter did rise to fame under a Disney banner as did Britney, Justin, Christine and a bunch of other people. (Though, I'm of the mind that Miley was swinging on an umbrella stand and those who criticized her were projecting, plus she was on cable...)
But (and again I wasn't personally offended), his dance was unlike anything that has been seen on broadcast primetime television in a long time, if ever and though I didn't see Janet Jackson's "crotch grab", I'm sure she's professional enough to have kept it tamer than face-fucking a dancer.
@Magister: Meh. Miley was swinging around a pole and it doesn't matter if it was an umbrella stand or a glittery pole in the middle of a lucite floor. Innuendo is innuendo regardless of pole form. I'm fairly certain that my father would have slapped me into the next county if I acted that way when I was 16/17 years old.
My point is that I have a very difficult time digesting the concept that Disney operates from some sort of moral high ground when they develop child stars and a vast majority of the girls are...erm...molded into Lolitas. The only message that action conveys is that the sexuality of an American teenage female is fair game but the sexuality of a ghey male is off limits.
Disney's moral high ground fluctuates with profit. So long as Disney is raking in the dough, it has this amazing ability to rationalize anything.
@kappakappaspankme:
I'm betting your father wasn't an universally-derided, manufactured pop star with an "Achy Brachy Heart"
My point is that it was the Dick Clark Awards, which up until this year with the explosion of the blogosphere and the advent of embedded video hadn't been cool in a couple of decades.
I don't think people were expecting a performance better suited for MTV, SNL or Don Kirshner on ABC at ten o'clock in the midwest and to be honest, I don't know how much it has to do with him being gay.
@unclevanya: He's actually a ginger kid. That's part of why, even as a gay male, I hate this guy so damn much. I just don't respect the attempts to cover his true identity through all the makeup and hair dye.
@Airvault: You must be too young to remember Merv Griffen because HE was the gayest thing on TV ever.
As far as I can tell, Mr. Lambert never volunteered himself to be the Rainbow Rosa Parks. He's just a little twinkie who grew up watching Madonna and Christina rubbing themselves against any available surface and couldn't wait for his turn. David Bowie did something very similar to Mick Ronson's guitar in the 70s for god's sake. The first time I saw it I was 10 and I've survived (although I did develop a connoisseurs appreciation for a well done simulated blowjob).
Considering all the fuss, Adam should have just freed willy and received a REAL blowjob for his trouble.
@topsy: That's what this feels like: a debate between young and old. A lot of the younger gays out there are showing no signs of being offended/ashamed of what he did and are in fact happy to see someone doing something - finally.
Of course it was a calculated move on his part. I don't think he thought he was going to break down any walls with those gestures. But now he's facing the sort of backlash that comes with expressing your (homo)sexuality in such an overt way. And he will have to start considering himself as some sort of a figure who's representing something bigger than his shitty performances.
I don't want to turn him into one, but he is now a central figure in the American homosexual movement whether he planned on it or not. So far he's faced the "Is he gay enough?" debate and now he's facing the question of "How gay is too gay?"
No one recognizes it yet, but he's the first of his kind.
Yes, the country is soooooo full of homophobic prudes that a whopping .0005% of the country called to complain about it. We're being overrun by homophobic prudes!
The guy simulated getting a blowjob on stage and got some complaints...a number that ABC called "moderate." Let's not make the guy out to be some brave martyr for homosexuality who is being attacked because he decided to wave a rainbow flag on stage. It was a trashy move that would have gotten some calls (from angry parents and feminists) even if it was a chick pretending to blow him.
There are other stories to tout as evidence of society's lack of acceptance of homosexuality that would go a lot farther in proving the point than this.
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Also, his "singing" is atrocious. His notes were either flat or sharp (quite the accomplishment) and his tone was eerily reminiscent of a buzzsaw at a logging camp.
We have already seen the "sexy antics" as pioneered by Madonna, aped by Britney, and lampooned by countless comedians. At this point, the pointless dramatics are simply a cover for a lack of talent.
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I'm over 18. I no the kid's name because of google search but had knew no details about him, except he was once on AI.
The last time I checked, AI had a HUGE under 18 fan base.
But it's nice that everyone is trying to pretend he was a part of their demographic before Sunday night. I support your fake outrage.
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Altho, AI has produced some good talent.
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This whole thing is just so absurd. Girl on girl action is practically a staple of prime time tv these days and its not even a blip on the radar with no panicked cries to save the children. I'd been more concerned with teaching today's kiddies such blatant hypocrisy Lambert came on after 11pm, so he didn't violate the family hour. Is gay sex so threatening to folks? What do you think those boys have been up to all these centuries?
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I am curious about your claim that "consenting adults have often taken the opportunity to express themselves in a simulated sexual manner" on the AMAs before. Any examples?
(Also, while you claim that girl on girl action is a staple of prime time tv these days, I must have missed all of the recent instances of simulated cunnilingus on network television. Can you give me a list of shows that have done this, so that I can add them to my TIVO list? Thanks).
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I want to see him as a blond.
I'm indifferent to the music and the performance.
Edit: I think he's got a great attitude about the thing. Kids will be fine.
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Go away, Liza Minnelli 2.0!
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Note: I wasn't personally offended, but the dude is just releasing his first album and it's a bit early to be telling parents that it's their own damn fault.
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It starred some guy from American Idol.
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If a child was exposed to a passionate kiss on television and the parties involved were hetero, would this even be an issue?
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I didn't see the show and couldn't really care less whether he's gay or not, but you have to admit that faking oral sex in the middle of an awards show probably wasn't the best idea.
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Glad that's sorted.
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And, Madonna is friggin' Madonna, Lambert hasn't put in enough work for this to be similar. If a new female artist did this, she would instantly be considered a famewhore.
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People are not complaining just because of the "ghey" kiss, and I think folks are reaching with that. Whatever gets folks rile up, tho. Some people complained about Janet's boob on CBS for 2 seconds, why wouldn't you expect the same people to complain about simulated oral sex?
I'm sure SOME people are complaining because of the male on male smooch but, then again, some people complained about the Madonna/Britney/Christina Aguilera smooch.
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Now - I'm not buying that whole difference between network and cable television as an excuse. If a parent is so concerned about programming that they need to rely on the FCC to regulate every last word and image, then maybe having a television set in the house isn't the best idea. Perhaps these parents would be more comfortable encouraging their children to read.
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While, at the same time, admitting that some things are not child appropriate. What those things are? I'll leave that to the parents.
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And a footnote: people dog performers who lip sync, but when performers actually sing, they never sound as good and they get called out for actually singing. Which way do people want it?
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You also have to consider the fact that this was the guy's first major televised performance that wasn't on a reality show. He hasn't banked the same type of musical credibility that other performers have, and doesn't get the same amount of leeway. If some new flavor-of-the-month 22 year old came out on stage and rubbed a woman's face in his crotch as part of his first major performance, that would certainly have repercussions.
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In comparison, to date, Adam placed second in a contest. He has a lot to prove if he plans on getting rich.
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...Good for him! This is such a stupid thing to get pissy about.
Completely fine for Madonna and Britney to suck face but heaven phucking forbid a ghey male do *anything* overtly sexual other than feeding a stereotype? I know we have done this to death over the past few days but I'm still grinding my teeth about the way he has been treated.
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While I'll grant that the major networks have to compete with the cable guys for viewers, and ergo, ad dollars, there is a difference in the standards they are held to, to a certain degree. (Yes, I know, EVERYONE has cable now, and with the digital conversion, the lines of demarcation are further blurred)
And while I don't know for sure of what came out of the MTV incident from a few years ago, I do have the feeling that PTC long ago gave a blanket 'disapprove' to MTV, so they didn't have to get up in arms everytime something they deemed offensive was aired.
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But (and again I wasn't personally offended), his dance was unlike anything that has been seen on broadcast primetime television in a long time, if ever and though I didn't see Janet Jackson's "crotch grab", I'm sure she's professional enough to have kept it tamer than face-fucking a dancer.
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My point is that I have a very difficult time digesting the concept that Disney operates from some sort of moral high ground when they develop child stars and a vast majority of the girls are...erm...molded into Lolitas. The only message that action conveys is that the sexuality of an American teenage female is fair game but the sexuality of a ghey male is off limits.
Disney's moral high ground fluctuates with profit. So long as Disney is raking in the dough, it has this amazing ability to rationalize anything.
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I'm betting your father wasn't an universally-derided, manufactured pop star with an "Achy Brachy Heart"
My point is that it was the Dick Clark Awards, which up until this year with the explosion of the blogosphere and the advent of embedded video hadn't been cool in a couple of decades.
I don't think people were expecting a performance better suited for MTV, SNL or Don Kirshner on ABC at ten o'clock in the midwest and to be honest, I don't know how much it has to do with him being gay.
It mostly looked very rough to me.
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If GMA is so scared of gays rubbing their gay parts on each other - fuck em. Leave 'em behind.
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As far as I can tell, Mr. Lambert never volunteered himself to be the Rainbow Rosa Parks. He's just a little twinkie who grew up watching Madonna and Christina rubbing themselves against any available surface and couldn't wait for his turn. David Bowie did something very similar to Mick Ronson's guitar in the 70s for god's sake. The first time I saw it I was 10 and I've survived (although I did develop a connoisseurs appreciation for a well done simulated blowjob).
Considering all the fuss, Adam should have just freed willy and received a REAL blowjob for his trouble.
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I remember the 70s, and all I have to say is, "Topsy, I'll take Paul Lynde in the center square for the win."
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Of course it was a calculated move on his part. I don't think he thought he was going to break down any walls with those gestures. But now he's facing the sort of backlash that comes with expressing your (homo)sexuality in such an overt way. And he will have to start considering himself as some sort of a figure who's representing something bigger than his shitty performances.
I don't want to turn him into one, but he is now a central figure in the American homosexual movement whether he planned on it or not. So far he's faced the "Is he gay enough?" debate and now he's facing the question of "How gay is too gay?"
No one recognizes it yet, but he's the first of his kind.
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The guy simulated getting a blowjob on stage and got some complaints...a number that ABC called "moderate." Let's not make the guy out to be some brave martyr for homosexuality who is being attacked because he decided to wave a rainbow flag on stage. It was a trashy move that would have gotten some calls (from angry parents and feminists) even if it was a chick pretending to blow him.
There are other stories to tout as evidence of society's lack of acceptance of homosexuality that would go a lot farther in proving the point than this.