I don't think we're out of the woods yet either. I was more optimistic in mid-August when I saw a sharp uptick in demand for my free-lance graphic design services. But I'm mostly project based, and with those projects nearly complete now, I'm not seeing a lot in terms of new business to take their place. I also had a contract position lined up to start Oct 1 to do production art at an ad agency, but that job was canceled when their main client, a national retailer, decided to cut back on their holiday ad buys.
So, yeah, I'm thinking, at least in my line of work, companies aren't going to start hiring again until they see how horribly this holiday shopping season is going to pan out. So, people, keep spending that money you don't have;-)
Of course, I should also mention that I've been searching for a full-time job with benefits since I was laid off in January 2008. So this recession has been particularly painful one for me. #recessionomics
Until middle class, I mean debtor class, wages significantly improve many of us can't be consumers except for on credit, and we're far away from the optimism that made that (seem) tenable and aren't likely to go back. People need to quit judging the economy based on how much capital investors are hording. Trickle down consequences more than economy. #recessionomics
Put thousands of unemployed media people to work on propaganda drumming up a fake war, then tens of thousands of unemployed factory workers on the lines making things that explode. Then we just send hundreds of thousands of high school dropouts to the front line to absorb the flack. Their blood will make for more propaganda, which will ratchet up the war machine, and the cycle will perpetuate itself. Either that or we could find some way of making weapons out of dead bodies. #recessionomics
"On the upside, the total number of people on unemployment has dropped to 5.8 million, the lowest number in seven months, according to Bloomberg. That's great until you think of all the people who have dropped off the rolls because their benefits ran out."
It always kills me that they never mention this part. Kills. Me. #recessionomics
The A-12 table of the Employment Situation Report due November 6 should provide a clearer picture of U-6 unemployment, which considers those individuals.
The recent report was not intended to measure "discouraged workers" or individuals who are no longer receiving unemployment benefits. At least it didn't get worse, no? That indicates no fresh and massive layoffs, which is a sign of stabilization. #recessionomics
I've found this to be a weird recession. I've gotten lots and lots more freelance work than I did before the recession - as companies seem to be laying off full time staff and replacing them with freelancers.
This has been lucky for me because my existing repeat clients are in recession proof industries - guys always want porn and girls will always want to lose weight - so I've just been able to find other companies in the same industries and am making more money than in a long time.
My girlfriend, on the other hand, is a freelance luxury travel writer and let me tell you, she hasn't been making any money.
So all in all our joint income has remained the same, because mine has gone up enough to cover what she's not making.
But, shit, I wish she had developed contacts in non luxury industries roughly 18 months ago. #recessionomics
Most of that GDP figure was a result of Cash for Clunkers - 1.6% of it was auto sales. This calls that policy - and many others - into question. A 1.6% contribution to GDP growth is great, but is it sustainable when it's the direct result of subsidy? Car sales since have been disastrous, and the jobs "created" by CARS will disappear as soon as the taxpayer funding is withdrawn. No underlying demand was generated - borrowed money just moved it from the future to the present.
For stimulus to be effective it needs to enhance productive capacity - roads for trucks to travel on, rail for commuters, power plants to underly economic activity, etc. The stimulus hasn't delivered on those fronts, which makes its utility questionable. Nobody's going to get a job they keep until stimulus efforts create the basis for an expansion in productive capacity. Creating artificial demand and attendant retail jobs is worthwhile only insofar as it creates "phantom jobs" that transition some folks from government-sponsored, debt-fueled unemployment to government-sponsored, debt-fueled employment.
If GDP growth isn't sustainable and the recovery doesn't create jobs in the midst of the largest fiscal stimulus in American history, who do you blame? The Federal Government.
@Unsolicited Advice: Thank you for making sense and explaining to the readers that curent policies just aren't working. I just read today that the government spent approximately $24,000 for each of those clunkers. Can you say bad idea? #recessionomics
Well, it was clearly a patronage expenditure - thanks for the votes! The Government can and should borrow to diminish the destructive impact of a recession, but it's time to stop handing out candy like the money hasn't run out. CARS, the $8000 homebuyer credit - these aren't helping the economy. They're helping specific people, temporarily. All those jobs and all that "value" disappears as soon as the stimulus money does.
The stimulus package is effectively making the case of monetarist economists/social theorists: governments have a tendency to waste taxpayer dollars on purchasing votes, fail to account for knock-on effects, and fail to withdraw stimuli that taxpayers become addicted to. Just wait until we extend and expand the homebuyer credit - printed dollars for all! #recessionomics
@Unsolicited Advice: Soon they'll start subsidizing new, in-home printing facilities for people to start manufacturing their own dollars. #recessionomics
@fuckingoldman: I think -- though to believe this as a major motivation is naive, I'm sure -- CARS did incentivize to some extent a change in the auto industry, shifting production away from SUVs and toward more fuel-efficient cars. I'm not saying the market wouldn't naturally have coaxed this change, but CARS quickened it. Also: Thanks for the link.
@goetz: I have a friend who already did that! He got fouteen years of three hots and a cot along with free healthcare! Think about it people, I'm keeping it in my retirement options. #recessionomics
@fuckingoldman: To think, if he'd been selling weed to cancer patients he probably would have won some sort of prize for humanitarianism. #recessionomics
@fuckingoldman: This $24,000 number is fictional.
It assumes that 565,000 of the cars sold under cash for clunkers would have been purchased anyway, so it divides the total spent on cash for clunkers by the 125,000 cars Edmunds.com says would not have been purchased absent the incentive.
In any case, you must have missed the point of any and all government stimulus in a recession, which is to soak up excess capacity in the economy.
Maybe these cars would have purchased anyway, but there would have been far fewer dealers to buy them from as many would have gone out of business waiting for demand to return.
What is this need for economic commentary to be so fucking paternal? They aren't your "children," they're scared Americans.
Consumer demand is suppressed because consumer debt is at unbelievable levels. It's falling, but debts take time to pay down and/or monetize. But the real problem is a lack of production - we're stimulating and relying on demand instead of finding supply or gaining access to markets. #recessionomics
Consumer debt has been at unprecedented levels for years, or have you not been paying attention? What's suppressing demand right now is a combination of a very high rate of unemployment and good old-fashioned fear; people are either trying to make ends meet if they still have benefits, or if they're lucky enough to still have jobs, are working at reduced pay scales and don't know if their jobs are going to be around next week or next year.
"Lack of production," my eye. This is America, we don't do production because we sent all that to China and Mexico. We're faced with a chore that's never been attempted in our history, and that's hauling a service economy back from the brink of disaster. There's even a case for bringing back the CCC and the WPA, because government-sponsored, debt-fueled employment would at least give the millions of unemployed something to do.
With regard to "subsidizing autoworker unions and their bankrupt employers," you seem to be unaware of the fact that most of the companies that make automobiles in America aren't bankrupt, just strapped for capital. On top of that, there's an entire universe of businesses that exist to support and supply the automakers. There are valid reasons to object to Cash for Clunkers, but your argument is so sickeningly lame that it makes FDR look like Fred Bloody Astaire.
People like you make me wish that Gawker offered the polar opposite of the heart icon, but I'm not sure that a tiny little douchebag would be easy to render in a recognizable form.
GM declared bankruptcy. So did Chrysler. Ford would have absent Federal stimulus. All three "big three" automakers have received billions of taxpayer dollars to remain afloat. What definition of "bankrupt" or "subsidized" would you like to work with? This is to say nothing of the massive revenue black hole that domestic auto manufacturers have been for years.
A service economy can expand productive capacity by producing more services. Were you assuming that I meant we should open more canneries? You can export movies, software, technology, etc. - "production" isn't all hammering sheet metal. I agree that we should be bringing it back from the brink - let's start by devoting stimulus money to sustainable industry that requires service. Build a broadband network or a road, but don't throw cash into the tire fire of American automaking.
As for consumer debt, we're saying the same thing. I just didn't attach a mopey populist screed. #recessionomics
@Unsolicited Advice: You're wrong about Ford, it was in a slightly better position thanks to a massive expansion of its line of credit back in 2006. None of the Detroit Three received a bailout from Congress; GM and Chrysler received funding from TARP, while Ford did not.
You're also forgetting a few more companies than those three are building cars in America: BMW, Honda, Nissan, Subaru, and Toyota; Volkswagen is opening a plant in 2011. If automaking isn't a sustainable industry that requires service, I don't know what is.
Building and maintaining roads is a great idea too, but if it merely encourages the creation of more Sprawlywoods, we can probably find better things to invest in.
Building (or rather, beefing up) broadband networks means that we would buy most of the networking gear from overseas; but at least it's designed in California... when it isn't being designed in China or India.
I hate to point this out to you, but there's a growing number of countries that have no desire whatsoever to buy American software or American movies, because they have home-grown or pirated alternatives.
How in the world do you expect to make money by producing more services in the absence of a market for those services? #recessionomics
1.) Devaluing the dollar relative to other countries, which should make our goods more exportable.
2.) Making things people want. At the end of the day it's about quality products and emerging markets. Invent something like the PC, create a cancer cure, construct a website that the internet loves, or design a power plant that produces cheap energy. Do something! Enterpreneurs are the way forward. (This is where stimulus money should be going.)
3.) Reducing consumer debt. We're monetizing it and paying it down currently - the nominal value of the G.19 has gone down drastically for several quarters, and the real value is also decreasing. This doesn't happen overnight though, and will depress GDP for years to come.
4.) Stop listening to people like you. Your commentary is rife with defeatist, paternal bullshit that serves no one. #recessionomics
@Unsolicited Advice: 1) How does that work in a floating currency system, and wouldn't that make it more difficult to convince others to invest in our debt paper?
2) I don't see anything terribly concrete there, just an exhortation to "do something!" that isn't going to put ordinary people back to work. Your suggestions might make one or two people rich, but it does absolutely squat for the overwhelming majority of the unemployed and the underemployed.
3) I suspect that the reduction of consumer debt is more likely to happen through short sales and the bankruptcy courts than through gradual paydowns. But that's what I get for reading newspapers from Detroit and Chicago, I guess.
4) I say that I'm a realist, not a defeatist, but if it makes you feel superior, call it what you will.
This is the seventh recession since my childhood, and I have seen a steady decline over the last decade in job opportunities in my chosen profession. There are on average six unemployed people for every job opening, and in my field, it's more like 20:1. I think I'm entitled to call the glass half empty, fuck you very much.
(Also, "paternal" doesn't apply in my case, but I don't know if "auntly" would allow you to spit at me quite as satisfactorily.)
Your commentary is shot through with pie-in-the-sky projections that suggest to me you are another Wall Street bloodsucker with a trust fund, who ought to be lined up against a wall instead of being bailed out by the Fed and the Treasury.
Good luck out there! Just remember that there are no easy answers in economics, banking, or life - you've lived a long time, you should know. A positive attitude will take you further than a negative one.
2 bis) Breed unicorns to develop an all-natural mass transit system, and for consumption as a nutritious alternative to minotaur burgers. #recessionomics
My bank made a killing from me so this post is a slap of reality for me. We're talking about a $39 overdraft fee even it's for $2. The key is keeping a good amount in your savings.
Let's see what Chase tries to pull next.
The "Consumer Protection Agency" proposed by Obama and briefly mentioned in the article would require consent for an overdraft, consumer notification at checkout and it'd redefine an overdraft as a loan, which would cap it at a percentage. (According to media reports).
Chris Dodd, chair of Senate Banking has written to the Federal Reserve asking that people be able to opt-in or opt-out of overdraft protection and he says that if the Fed doesn't change the rules, he will.
My favorite new fee is the $14.95 I just got charged by Bunch of Assholes. "Maintenance" fee because I deposited money more than 3 times last month into my savings account. I did this all by myself, online. My savings account gained an awesome $2.00 and I paid $14.95 for it.
Also, when BofA runs those cute coffee-store ads where you buy your coffee and presto, it appears in your easy-peasy online bank statement, HORSE SHIT. They regularly post "pending items" to my account, only to delete them for several days and leave me with a false balance. So if you really want to track your spending, break out your check register and document everything, including all the fees and hidden costs.
It's bullshit too because most banks will honor your largest payment first, then your smaller ones. So, say you have $400. You make a a $398 purchase, a $2 purchase, a $5 purchase and a $10 purchase, they'll start with the largest one, so you get hit with an overdraft fee on everything after the first large purchase. If they did it the other way, you'd only get one overdraft fee, since you could cover the $17 of the smaller three purhcases. Anyway, if the bank doesn't want to take a risk in covering your overdraft, here's an idea, DONT LET ME OVERDRAFT. "Card denied" would not be so hard to program into ATMs and card machines.
@oneinsixbillion: Well I mean, that's what banks used to do. Growing up in a not-so-well-off household, there was routine talk of bounced checks and things like that. They don't need to program the ATMs to do this, because ATMs used to do it all the time before the banks discovered the overdraft revenue stream.
So, what ever happened to keeping track of how much money you have and, you know, not spending money that isn't yours?
After all, that's what credit cards are for!
@badasscat: Amen. I've had to live paycheck to paycheck, and I've never bounced a check or gotten an overdraft fee in my life. The guy who wrote the letter said he "thought" the landlord had cashed the check, and he had "quite a bit of money left over"? I'm not saying the banks aren't shady and that the fees aren't ridiculous, but is it so hard to keep a balanced checkbook? There's no excuse for not keeping track of what must have been several hundred dollars.
@jerusalemcricket: Here's the thing. I also live paycheck to paycheck and therefore very mindful of keeping track of my purchases, not overdrawing, etc. and for that reason I check my bank balance via their online banking site everyday. However, I also recently ran into the trap of overdrawing against my so-called "available balance."
This what happened. I bought a comforter at Target, paid for it with my Chase debit card. Saw another one at a competing store I liked better. Returned comforter at Target and had $85 credited toward my checking via my debit card. Went home, logged onto my account, saw that even though said credit was listed as pending, the $85 was added to my balance. Thinking I had enough funds to cover my car payment, I logged onto Carmax and paid my bill.
Well, the next morning I was in for quite a shock when my car payment had put me in the red. There was my $85 Target credit -- still pending, still credited toward my balance, yet my Carmax payment had cleared and there was a negative $14 in the column next to it. Hello $39 overdraft charge.
Two lessons: Now I know not to count pending payments until they are cleared, which according to Chase's customer service can take up to 48 hours. And to just pay cash, because then I could have gotten cash back, which I could have spent right away. However, as I said here in a different comment, Chase is now going to charge me an $8 maintenance fee unless I use their debit card at least 4 times a month.
All I'm saying, even though I consider myself a careful consumer I was duped. It happens, and I think large banks like Chase are purposely trying to mislead their customers.
I just found out our Chase savings account is charging us $3 every time we withdraw money from an ATM. I somehow missed that bit of fine print and got a real shock when I got our last bank statement. We opened that account 12 years ago when we got married as a place to keep our spending or "mad money" with a portion of our paychecks going into that account. So much for savings. Now we're going to have to close that account and pool our money in one single checking account. However, I also just found out that our checking account will be charging us an $8 monthly fee unless we use their debit card at least 4 times a month. I did see the fine print on that notice, and I do use a debit card regularly, but there are still people (like my mom) who cling to using cash for all her store purchases and pays her bills with those old-fashioned things called checks. She doesn't trust debit cards and I kinda see her point.
@pumpkinsoup: Personal finance-related shit is one of the things I love about Korea vs. the US. Here, you are issued a bank book. When you use the bank book to withdraw money at an ATM (there is a special slot for it), all of your transactions are printed onto it by the machine at the same time. If you run out of money, your shit is denied, plain and simple. For paying bills, all the companies use the same scan-able billing forms. You just put them into a machine, which tallies up the various amounts and routes payments to the bank accounts of each biller. Of course, because American institutions always have to be "independent," even when doing their own non-standard shit is really obnoxious and annoying, people are forced to mail in payments, or navigate all the separate websites of their billers, or use their bank's billpay system, which usually consists of the bank cutting a check to the biller for you so it still takes days for the transaction to occur. It's bullshit, and the system really needs to be regulated and streamlined so it's easier for customers.
Interestingly, three of the "big four" banks in Australia have now agreed to dump overdraft fees. "Evil bank fees" have been a staple of current affairs shows and talking heads here for years, but the government has been making noises about doing something about bank fees so they've clearly decided to pre-empt it (with the benefit of some good publicity, particularly for the first bank to move). Money for nothing, overdraft fees, atm usage fees, all that jazz. The Australian personal banking market is a cartel, so there's no competition that doesn't have the fees... should have been slapped down as anti-competitive years ago.
10/29/09
So, yeah, I'm thinking, at least in my line of work, companies aren't going to start hiring again until they see how horribly this holiday shopping season is going to pan out. So, people, keep spending that money you don't have;-)
Of course, I should also mention that I've been searching for a full-time job with benefits since I was laid off in January 2008. So this recession has been particularly painful one for me. #recessionomics
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It always kills me that they never mention this part. Kills. Me. #recessionomics
10/29/09
The A-12 table of the Employment Situation Report due November 6 should provide a clearer picture of U-6 unemployment, which considers those individuals.
The recent report was not intended to measure "discouraged workers" or individuals who are no longer receiving unemployment benefits. At least it didn't get worse, no? That indicates no fresh and massive layoffs, which is a sign of stabilization. #recessionomics
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This has been lucky for me because my existing repeat clients are in recession proof industries - guys always want porn and girls will always want to lose weight - so I've just been able to find other companies in the same industries and am making more money than in a long time.
My girlfriend, on the other hand, is a freelance luxury travel writer and let me tell you, she hasn't been making any money.
So all in all our joint income has remained the same, because mine has gone up enough to cover what she's not making.
But, shit, I wish she had developed contacts in non luxury industries roughly 18 months ago. #recessionomics
10/29/09
For stimulus to be effective it needs to enhance productive capacity - roads for trucks to travel on, rail for commuters, power plants to underly economic activity, etc. The stimulus hasn't delivered on those fronts, which makes its utility questionable. Nobody's going to get a job they keep until stimulus efforts create the basis for an expansion in productive capacity. Creating artificial demand and attendant retail jobs is worthwhile only insofar as it creates "phantom jobs" that transition some folks from government-sponsored, debt-fueled unemployment to government-sponsored, debt-fueled employment.
If GDP growth isn't sustainable and the recovery doesn't create jobs in the midst of the largest fiscal stimulus in American history, who do you blame? The Federal Government.
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You mean subsidizing autoworker unions and their bankrupt employers? #recessionomics
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Well, it was clearly a patronage expenditure - thanks for the votes! The Government can and should borrow to diminish the destructive impact of a recession, but it's time to stop handing out candy like the money hasn't run out. CARS, the $8000 homebuyer credit - these aren't helping the economy. They're helping specific people, temporarily. All those jobs and all that "value" disappears as soon as the stimulus money does.
The stimulus package is effectively making the case of monetarist economists/social theorists: governments have a tendency to waste taxpayer dollars on purchasing votes, fail to account for knock-on effects, and fail to withdraw stimuli that taxpayers become addicted to. Just wait until we extend and expand the homebuyer credit - printed dollars for all! #recessionomics
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It assumes that 565,000 of the cars sold under cash for clunkers would have been purchased anyway, so it divides the total spent on cash for clunkers by the 125,000 cars Edmunds.com says would not have been purchased absent the incentive.
In any case, you must have missed the point of any and all government stimulus in a recession, which is to soak up excess capacity in the economy.
Maybe these cars would have purchased anyway, but there would have been far fewer dealers to buy them from as many would have gone out of business waiting for demand to return.
10/29/09
I'm calling it a dead-cat bounce, because consumer demand has been so suppressed over the last year.
We ain't out of this one yet, children. #recessionomics
10/29/09
What is this need for economic commentary to be so fucking paternal? They aren't your "children," they're scared Americans.
Consumer demand is suppressed because consumer debt is at unbelievable levels. It's falling, but debts take time to pay down and/or monetize. But the real problem is a lack of production - we're stimulating and relying on demand instead of finding supply or gaining access to markets. #recessionomics
10/29/09
So go make chairs instead of commenting on a blog. #recessionomics
10/29/09
Consumer debt has been at unprecedented levels for years, or have you not been paying attention? What's suppressing demand right now is a combination of a very high rate of unemployment and good old-fashioned fear; people are either trying to make ends meet if they still have benefits, or if they're lucky enough to still have jobs, are working at reduced pay scales and don't know if their jobs are going to be around next week or next year.
"Lack of production," my eye. This is America, we don't do production because we sent all that to China and Mexico. We're faced with a chore that's never been attempted in our history, and that's hauling a service economy back from the brink of disaster. There's even a case for bringing back the CCC and the WPA, because government-sponsored, debt-fueled employment would at least give the millions of unemployed something to do.
With regard to "subsidizing autoworker unions and their bankrupt employers," you seem to be unaware of the fact that most of the companies that make automobiles in America aren't bankrupt, just strapped for capital. On top of that, there's an entire universe of businesses that exist to support and supply the automakers. There are valid reasons to object to Cash for Clunkers, but your argument is so sickeningly lame that it makes FDR look like Fred Bloody Astaire.
People like you make me wish that Gawker offered the polar opposite of the heart icon, but I'm not sure that a tiny little douchebag would be easy to render in a recognizable form.
10/29/09
GM declared bankruptcy. So did Chrysler. Ford would have absent Federal stimulus. All three "big three" automakers have received billions of taxpayer dollars to remain afloat. What definition of "bankrupt" or "subsidized" would you like to work with? This is to say nothing of the massive revenue black hole that domestic auto manufacturers have been for years.
A service economy can expand productive capacity by producing more services. Were you assuming that I meant we should open more canneries? You can export movies, software, technology, etc. - "production" isn't all hammering sheet metal. I agree that we should be bringing it back from the brink - let's start by devoting stimulus money to sustainable industry that requires service. Build a broadband network or a road, but don't throw cash into the tire fire of American automaking.
As for consumer debt, we're saying the same thing. I just didn't attach a mopey populist screed. #recessionomics
10/29/09
You're also forgetting a few more companies than those three are building cars in America: BMW, Honda, Nissan, Subaru, and Toyota; Volkswagen is opening a plant in 2011. If automaking isn't a sustainable industry that requires service, I don't know what is.
Building and maintaining roads is a great idea too, but if it merely encourages the creation of more Sprawlywoods, we can probably find better things to invest in.
Building (or rather, beefing up) broadband networks means that we would buy most of the networking gear from overseas; but at least it's designed in California... when it isn't being designed in China or India.
I hate to point this out to you, but there's a growing number of countries that have no desire whatsoever to buy American software or American movies, because they have home-grown or pirated alternatives.
How in the world do you expect to make money by producing more services in the absence of a market for those services? #recessionomics
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Here are a couple of ideas:
1.) Devaluing the dollar relative to other countries, which should make our goods more exportable.
2.) Making things people want. At the end of the day it's about quality products and emerging markets. Invent something like the PC, create a cancer cure, construct a website that the internet loves, or design a power plant that produces cheap energy. Do something! Enterpreneurs are the way forward. (This is where stimulus money should be going.)
3.) Reducing consumer debt. We're monetizing it and paying it down currently - the nominal value of the G.19 has gone down drastically for several quarters, and the real value is also decreasing. This doesn't happen overnight though, and will depress GDP for years to come.
4.) Stop listening to people like you. Your commentary is rife with defeatist, paternal bullshit that serves no one. #recessionomics
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2) I don't see anything terribly concrete there, just an exhortation to "do something!" that isn't going to put ordinary people back to work. Your suggestions might make one or two people rich, but it does absolutely squat for the overwhelming majority of the unemployed and the underemployed.
3) I suspect that the reduction of consumer debt is more likely to happen through short sales and the bankruptcy courts than through gradual paydowns. But that's what I get for reading newspapers from Detroit and Chicago, I guess.
4) I say that I'm a realist, not a defeatist, but if it makes you feel superior, call it what you will.
This is the seventh recession since my childhood, and I have seen a steady decline over the last decade in job opportunities in my chosen profession. There are on average six unemployed people for every job opening, and in my field, it's more like 20:1. I think I'm entitled to call the glass half empty, fuck you very much.
(Also, "paternal" doesn't apply in my case, but I don't know if "auntly" would allow you to spit at me quite as satisfactorily.)
Your commentary is shot through with pie-in-the-sky projections that suggest to me you are another Wall Street bloodsucker with a trust fund, who ought to be lined up against a wall instead of being bailed out by the Fed and the Treasury.
(blows kiss)
10/29/09
Good luck out there! Just remember that there are no easy answers in economics, banking, or life - you've lived a long time, you should know. A positive attitude will take you further than a negative one.
Sorry if you feel I've consumed thy flesh. #recessionomics
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2 bis) Breed unicorns to develop an all-natural mass transit system, and for consumption as a nutritious alternative to minotaur burgers. #recessionomics
08/10/09
Let's see what Chase tries to pull next.
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Chris Dodd, chair of Senate Banking has written to the Federal Reserve asking that people be able to opt-in or opt-out of overdraft protection and he says that if the Fed doesn't change the rules, he will.
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Also, when BofA runs those cute coffee-store ads where you buy your coffee and presto, it appears in your easy-peasy online bank statement, HORSE SHIT. They regularly post "pending items" to my account, only to delete them for several days and leave me with a false balance. So if you really want to track your spending, break out your check register and document everything, including all the fees and hidden costs.
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After all, that's what credit cards are for!
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This what happened. I bought a comforter at Target, paid for it with my Chase debit card. Saw another one at a competing store I liked better. Returned comforter at Target and had $85 credited toward my checking via my debit card. Went home, logged onto my account, saw that even though said credit was listed as pending, the $85 was added to my balance. Thinking I had enough funds to cover my car payment, I logged onto Carmax and paid my bill.
Well, the next morning I was in for quite a shock when my car payment had put me in the red. There was my $85 Target credit -- still pending, still credited toward my balance, yet my Carmax payment had cleared and there was a negative $14 in the column next to it. Hello $39 overdraft charge.
Two lessons: Now I know not to count pending payments until they are cleared, which according to Chase's customer service can take up to 48 hours. And to just pay cash, because then I could have gotten cash back, which I could have spent right away. However, as I said here in a different comment, Chase is now going to charge me an $8 maintenance fee unless I use their debit card at least 4 times a month.
All I'm saying, even though I consider myself a careful consumer I was duped. It happens, and I think large banks like Chase are purposely trying to mislead their customers.
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