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    Image of A Message To Rudy A Message To Rudy
    11/19/09

    In reply to New Yorker Cartoons Now on XBox, For Some Reason
    It's called BWC technology: Because We Can. It's the same technology used to make those Charles Schwab commercials that are computer rotoscopes of people talking about their investments so detailed that they might as well used the acutal footage of the real people they used to base the computer graphics on.
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    11/19/09

    In reply to New Yorker Cartoons Now on XBox, For Some Reason

     
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    11/19/09

    @Deric: FAILBOT for me! Trust me, there's a not so witty caption at the bottom of this cartoon.
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    11/19/09

    @Deric: Christ, what an asshole.
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    Image of Banjo-Sea Kitten Banjo-Sea Kitten
    11/19/09

    In reply to New Yorker Cartoons Now on XBox, For Some Reason
    My god. No. I blame Woody Allen having children.
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    Image of JessickerFletcher JessickerFletcher
    11/19/09

    @Banjo-Sea Kitten: ... and not marrying all of them.

    HEY - OH!

    (It's a tired joke of which I do not tire)
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    11/19/09

    @JessickerFletcher: grudgingly promoted!
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    Image of LoveHandles LoveHandles
    11/11/09

    In reply to The New Yorker, by the Numbers
    Honestly, these numbers seem rather pedestrian, given the content. #thenewyorker
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    11/11/09

    @LoveHandles: True. It's interesting that regular readers seldom realize the enormous effort that goes into producing complex articles like those in the New Yorker that flow, both on a logical and literal level, like liquid butter. The flow of the printed word is very different from the flow of the spoken word. Wordsmithing is way more difficult an art that most of us are aware of--but that's the point that the New Yorker illustrates so beautifully. You just read, and you're never aware of how much work it went into making writing come across so effortless on the page. #thenewyorker
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    11/11/09

    In reply to The New Yorker, by the Numbers
    Never mind the New Yorker masthead; do you think Ivanka Trump's publisher had to pay full price for the banner ad for her book on the bottom of the article? #thenewyorker
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    Image of Monte Wooley Monte Wooley
    11/11/09

    In reply to The New Yorker, by the Numbers
    Bloated staff, unreadable magazine. No wonder Si loves it. So Proustian. A remembrance of things past. Tiny mummies live! #thenewyorker
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    11/11/09

    @Monte Wooley: Unreadable? You're not saying very much about yourself, are you? #thenewyorker
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    11/13/09

    @lionel-mandrake: what would you like to know? That I enjoy prose with blood in its veins? I like surprising story choices, not the utterly predictable kind? Yes, dear Mandrake, unreadable, to me, which obviously makes me a heathen to you. So be it. #thenewyorker
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    Image of FormerEnglishMajor FormerEnglishMajor
    11/11/09

    In reply to The New Yorker, by the Numbers
    What is the ratio of writers to editors at other magazines? Is 2:1 a lot or the industry norm? (unless critics are considered writers as well, in which case it's 2.5 to 1).

    And could someone, ANYONE, please explain to a non-journo what the difference is between a "copy staff" and an "editorial assistant"? #thenewyorker
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    Image of Guggenheimlich Guggenheimlich
    11/11/09

    @FormerEnglishMajor: Editorial assistants are half-grunt work editors, half-personal assistants. Copy staff does way more fact-checking and style-proofing. Editorial assistants get the Plexiglass-reflected glory of their overlord; the copy staff gets to not live in terror of serving cold coffee. And if they have seven years of experience and a master's, slightly more than minimum wage. #thenewyorker
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    snugbug promoted this comment Guggenheimlich was starred Guggenheimlich was unstarred
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    11/11/09

    @FormerEnglishMajor: "Editorial assistant" is the entry-level staff position at magazines. You often start as an intern, and if hired, join in as editorial assistant. You occasionally get to do some fluffy, blurby-type writing that runs in print, but your job is to assist more senior writers with research, fact-checking, etc. No smart person ever spends more than a year as an editorial assistant--it's a threshold position by definition. You either get promoted out of it or drop out.

    Copy staff means copy editors. Their main responsibility is to ensure that the flow of the printed word is both grammatically correct and in accordance with the conventions of journalism.

    They review copy for grammatical accuracy, spelling, flag things such as "widows," faulty word breaks, etc. etc. Occasionally they have some last-minute input in fact-checking, but in Magazineland, the bulk of fact-checking is usually done by the time copy gets to a copy editor. It's a pretty technical job, complex yet not creative, but very essential. It's a career-type job as opposed to a mere station to something else.

    Does this help? #thenewyorker
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    11/11/09

    @Guggenheimlich: I disagree, based on my experience. Editorial assistants don't ever do any sort of editing work, ever--be it line-editing of copy-editing. They seldom write, for that matter. And I think you're confusing editorial assistants with personal assistants to the editor in chief. The latter are glorified secretaries.
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    Image of FormerEnglishMajor FormerEnglishMajor
    11/11/09

    @snugbug: Hugely. So that would mean the E.A.'s don't get paid much (one step above intern?) while the copy editors would - could they try to replace the latter with the former to cut costs or is that above an EA's pay grade...?

    Big help. If I could heart you again, I would.

    When you are not in publishing, the titles/duties are a complete mystery as to hierarchy, job content, etc. #thenewyorker
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    11/11/09

    @FormerEnglishMajor: The EAs get paid next to nothing, copy staff gets paid...next to next to nothing. A lot of publications have drastically reduced copy staff in order to cut costs already, but I don't think the two jobs will be melded together - most EAs wouldn't be effective at it, it's not an easy task and it takes some real experience to be a good copy editor. Like a previous poster pointed out, EAs are transient by definition and they either move up or move on.

    I have some friends that work at small publications that now have no copy staff and that farm out their editing to a separate service, but I'm not sure how common that is at bigger publications. I work for a website, and they expect me to copy edit my own stuff. Which, honestly, is next to impossible to do in any effective way. Having fresh eyes on a piece of writing is a big help. But as HamNo would say, this is how we live now: with tired eyes and grammatical errors. #thenewyorker
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    Image of Guggenheimlich Guggenheimlich
    11/11/09

    @snugbug: I bow to your wisdom. I should have disclaimed that these were wild guesses from someone barely with a foot in Bookland. So, then, what DO editorial assistants at magazines do? Just go to meetings and read submissions? #thenewyorker
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    11/12/09

    @Guggenheimlich: In the classic pyramid scheme of a magazine masthead, EAs are pretty much gophers. The magazine world's equivalent of PAs (production assistants) in film and advertising. You do whatever needs to get done--from rounding up items for a photo shoot to harassing PR for shopping credits to fact-checking, etc. They do NOT go on coffee runs, though, and in that sense, differ from interns. I suppose you can say EAs are little balls of coiled promise, whose latent potential is recognized on the condition that they put in some unglamorous grunt work before they are afforded the privilege to write or edit things of any consequence. #thenewyorker
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    Image of FrozenHaddock FrozenHaddock
    11/11/09

    In reply to The New Yorker, by the Numbers
    Does the fact that it's a weekly have anything to do with it? Outputting a magazine with a fairly impressive depth of content every seven days seems like a Herculean achievement to me, so somehow I'm not surprised at the quantity of people needed to bring this about. In addition to the generally elegant prose, it's also virtually--and often actually--typo-free, which pleaseth me very greatly and as far as I'm concerned makes it worth every penny doled out. #thenewyorker
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    11/11/09

    @FrozenHaddock: exactly - why should The New Yorker prop up its siblings at the expense of its own content and quality? And a subscription remains affordable... #thenewyorker
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    Image of britneyspearstears britneyspearstears
    11/11/09

    @FrozenHaddock: here-here! #thenewyorker
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    Image of naugahydeinplainsight naugahydeinplainsight
    11/11/09

    In reply to The New Yorker, by the Numbers
    Six with "makeup" in their titles but seven with "web," plus a blogs editor and a multimedia producer. Go, go Eustace! #thenewyorker
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    11/11/09

    In reply to The New Yorker, by the Numbers
    I am guessing most of the staff writers are not on salary. Title is probably an honorific for most of them-- (with maybe a retainer). #thenewyorker
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    11/11/09

    @quotidian: No, the majority of them are on contracts for a specific number of words per year. Typical contract would be 30K wds, $120-150k. You get paid a regular paycheck. The catch is if you fall behind on your word count, and then you owe your soul to the company store. #thenewyorker
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    11/11/09

    @procrastination_state: I would kill to be on a contract for $120-150K per year. I thought that was unheard of. #thenewyorker
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    11/11/09

    @Muggs Bigglesworth: Not for big-name staff writers at Conde Nast it's not. If I'm not mistaken, Christopher Hitchens gets paid $450k a year to get his sack waxed at Vanity Fair. #thenewyorker
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    11/11/09

    @procrastination_state: Incredible. The majority languish so far below that cut-off. #thenewyorker
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    11/11/09

    In reply to The New Yorker, by the Numbers
    They need a lot of makeup- have you seen those ghastly pale lit-nillas? #thenewyorker
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    11/11/09

    In reply to The New Yorker, by the Numbers
    wow, the weird part is I know someone who freelances there three days a week as a researcher and she's not even on that masthead!
    I do worry about the timeliness of publishing this thing right now though. I worry for everyone in magazine's jobs. #thenewyorker
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    Image of If_I_Had_a_Poodle If_I_Had_a_Poodle
    11/11/09

    @manchops: Jobs? At magazines? #thenewyorker
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    11/11/09

    @If_I_Had_a_Poodle: There used to be magazines. It's hard to imagine how it was then.

    Fitzgerald in The Saturday Evening Post; Hemingway in True, the Man's Magazine; Isaac Asimov writing for Playboy; Carl Sagan a regular in Parade. Everybody with gravitas back then traded it in for the huge numbers reached by the pop press.

    Now both gravitas and numbers are gone. Isn't there a Greek tragedy on this feature? #thenewyorker
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    11/11/09

    @Tremonius: There still are jobs at magazines, just not at Nast or Hachette. #thenewyorker
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    11/11/09

    @lionel-mandrake: You're right. There are jobs...WORKING FOR THE SCIENTOLOGY MAGAZINE. #thenewyorker
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    11/11/09

    @Dirty_Terry: I see the comically-named "Freedom" is looking for experienced dirt-diggers in Tampa. #thenewyorker
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    11/11/09

    @Dirty_Terry: Or, apparently Hearst, with its $1B war chest. #thenewyorker
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    11/09/09

    In reply to Eleven Things You Could Do Instead of Reading Jonathan Safran Foer's Book about Not Eating Meat
    Oh, nuts. Am I too late to call this a PIE OF SALVATION? Because it is. #jonathansafranfoer
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    11/08/09

    In reply to Eleven Things You Could Do Instead of Reading Jonathan Safran Foer's Book about Not Eating Meat
    Any vegetarian who thinks animal life is more sacred than plant life is sorely mistaken. All life is sacred and none from the lowly ameba, to humans, to trees, vegetables, nuts, goats, dogs, cows, whales, roaches and rats is any more important than the other. This "animals are more sacred" than plants argument is nonsense and is rooted in human hubris that is about as arrogant and single minded as it can get. vegetarians can be annoying and self righteous and at the end of the day they still have to place organic matter into their maws that was once alive, as do we all, in order to say alive. I say let the annoying ones who think they have it all figured out grind up rocks into dust and eat that instead of organic plant and animal life. #jonathansafranfoer
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    Image of Lux Alptraum Lux Alptraum
    11/08/09

    In reply to Eleven Things You Could Do Instead of Reading Jonathan Safran Foer's Book about Not Eating Meat
    I hated Foer's NY Times piece (based on his book), and I, for the record, have been a vegetarian for almost two decades (which, god, makes me feel really fucking old).

    Anyhoo: I don't eat meat because a) I'm opposed to factory farming, b) if all Americans reduced their meat consumption by even a little bit, it would do wonders for the environment--so if I reduce my meat consumption by 100%, that at least offsets some of the more aggressive meat eaters out there, and c) I just don't really like the taste of meat and don't miss it.

    When I do consume dairy and eggs, I do my best to consume products from local, family farms--obviously not something I can guarantee when eating out, but a practice I keep in my home.

    What bothered me so much about the Times piece was that Foer seemed so sanctimonious in his argument: while berating those who choose to eat meat, he simultaneously admitted that 1) he thinks a vegetarian lifestyle is culinarily inferior to one including meat (see point c) and 2) that family farms made many of his points about factory farming null (but, you know, they're just too hard to find--apparently the Park Slope Food Co-Op is impossible for a Park Slope resident to access!)--oh, and he also completely ignored the questions of eating dairy and eggs, wearing leather, animal testing, and the many, many other instances of animal cruelty that exist in our culture.

    So I guess I'm trying to say: vegetarians, we aren't all bad (and we are making choices that help the environment!). But that Safran Foer dude...he's a prick. #jonathansafranfoer
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    11/08/09

    @Lux Alptraum: Yes, thank you, exactly. You have the maturity to say what my thirteen year-old instincts set aside in favor of mischief. But hopefully someone took this sentiment from the post. The most egregious notion about all of this is that change starts with BoBo Brooklyn writers like Foer, and his readers. Wrong, and ignorant. It starts with changes in federal policy, and it starts with protecting those for whom reducing our intake of factory farmed products will present the most issues to: lower-income families.
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    Image of Orgasmic-Chemist Orgasmic-Chemist
    11/08/09

    @Foster Kamer: You think that high-profile writers don't help spark the public interest, which can lead to changes in federal policy?

    Maybe you think Foer is a dick, but his novel has gotten people talking and its brought the discussion to the news papers and front pages of blogs.

    Its cute to think that the federal government will just up and change policies related to big corporations, but it isn't realistic.

    I haven't read Foer's book (sounds like you haven't either), but I did read your post and its pretty pathetic. Way to demean an important issue, because you think your hip readers will enjoy bashing on an erudite author. #jonathansafranfoer
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    11/08/09

    @Orgasmic-Chemist: Franklin? Is that you?

    Foer's about as high-profile as the guy who wrote Everything is Illuminated can get. As in, the New York Times really! loves! his shit! The rest of reading America still remembers him as the guy who wrote Everything is Illuminated and the 9/11 picture book.

    Also, O hai, have you been reading the news lately?

    Its cute to think that the federal government will just up and change policies related to big corporations, but it isn't realistic.

    Auto industry. Banking industry. Health care industry. What's not realistic is expecting the people reading this book to do anything other than adjust the height of their soapbox. #jonathansafranfoer
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    11/08/09

    @Orgasmic-Chemist: Do you thing Foer was purposefully being a dick just to get a dialogue going?

    The Omnivore's Pariah is more like it. #jonathansafranfoer
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    11/09/09

    @Mike Byhoff: yes. #jonathansafranfoer
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    11/09/09

    @Foster Kamer: Oh ok, so we should just follow your snarky advice to federal reform then.

    Step 1, follow your points from 1-9.

    Step 2, wait for the problem to literally implode upon itself to the point that all the cows die of diseases and 1/4 of the population dies.

    Step 3, receive federal reform in the style of the auto industry (had to literally go belly up), Banks (Cause a global financial meltdown. Also, since you apparently have read the news lately, what MEANINGFUL reform has taken place??), and Healthcare (a top of debate for almost 100 years for an industry that has no possible economic future for our country and bankrupts more people than the recent financial collapse).

    Step 4, (see your step 11) #jonathansafranfoer
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