The vitriol at Kucynski has been amazing, not just here but also at Salon and Slate. In my experience, surrogacy, while pricey, is not impossible. Would we all be so angry if she hadn't been rubbing our collective face in her money all these years?
full disclosure: gay former DINK, now have one kid through adoption, please don't hate me.
Am I the only one who is turned on by Alex? She's like the villian from "Major League" but with a kid that will one day protest the Japanese whaling fleet with an aging Hayden Panettiere.
You know what I found most disturbing about the NYT Magazine article?
The photos.
Particularly the one where Kuczynski was posed with her POC baby nurse on the palatial grounds of her home, like something out of "Gone With the Wind." I couldn't tell whether that photo was staged without Kuczynski or the photographer realizing what it looked like or with them thinking that it was edgy and ironic...either way, it made me hate them.
Combine it with the "barefoot and pregnant" shot of the surrogate and I about vomited.
I'm not against surrogacy. But Kuczynski's drivel-filled, myopic, privilege blinded writing about it makes me question whether my stance on surrogacy is right or wrong.
You guys wanna hear some gossip? A) In the photo with her baby nurse, Alex originally wanted her entire staff of five to be present; the photographer declined. B) The surrogate mother complained about the porch photo they shot of her, saying she actually has a nice house and didn't know why they showed it from its least flattering angle. C) Alex is now pregnant.
The "young woman," just in case it's unclear, is actually the daughter of Kuczynski's surrogate, who paid her college tuition by being an egg donor. Inconveniently for Frank's narrative, Kuczynski's surrogate, Cathy Hilling, is 43 -- four years older than Kuczynski herself. In railing about her lack of representation, Frank never even mentions Hilling's name. If he was so concerned, why didn't he pick up the phone and interview her? Rather too much work, I suppose.
@Owen Thomas: OK, Frank may not mention Hilling's name. But the Kucz neglected to QUOTE THE WOMAN WHOSE UTERUS SHE RENTED -- NOT ONCE! So there's that.
@Owen Thomas: Oh, stop it. Frank's point is that we live in a dog-eat-dog, zero-sum game society where a rich woman like Alex Kuczynski can actually rent another woman's body to perform what is arguably the most painful and important task human beings are capable of doing.
Your precious concern for the rented uterus is beside the point and, frankly, annoying.
@Steverino Begins: It's a very hostile environment. You'd have to be an alien with lizard triple X skin to survive it. Also, her umbilical cord always morphed into a skipping rope sometime during the 15th week.
Thomas Frank is not in a position to judge a woman who was unable to give birth to her own child because he is not a woman.
Alex Kuczinski (or whatever it is) set herself up for attack with one of the most insipid self serving shallow articles ever but Frank isn't in a position to judge her.
@Never Stop Dancing: Would he have the right to criticize her if he was gay and therefore in the same position of being unable to have his own child? She opened herself up to this by being such a clueless narcissistic asshole. Anyone with human emotions is in a position to judge her.
i was making my statement based on the nature of his article because he reserved a SINGLE line to her detailed description of everything she went through to have a baby.
she clearly went to considerable effort to try to have a baby herself and described those efforts in some detail
but frank demeaned her effort with a single line referencing it
i think another woman who has either tried to give birth or has given birth would be more compassionate
@Never Stop Dancing: The way this works is like rock, paper scissors, okay? Class beats gender, gender beats race. Frank's class argument about Kuzcynski being a plutocrat who buys babies beats the "he doesn't have a uterus" gender-based retort.
@Never Stop Dancing: I don't really know why that matters, though. In fact, I tend to think that excessive hand-wringing over infertility helps contribute to it being such a devastating experience. It strikes me that infertile women would be slightly better off if our culture stopped thinking of it as The Worst Thing a Married Woman Could Endure. Since a fair amount of the trauma of infertility is linked to feeling like a "failure as a woman" - maybe our culture could stop endorsing that feeling so much, both in our expectations of women and in how we treat them when they fail to meet those expectations. A paragraph full of "OMG HOW AWFUL," might seem compassionate, but it's also enforcing the idea that it really is the most awful thing to not be able to bring a child into an already over-populated world.
@ronniedobbs: I came here to say this and you beat me to it. But you said it well, so I have no ire for you.
Not getting exactly what you want in life, including the possibility of not getting to birth a child, is a reality that ALL of us contend with. That we treat it as such a grievous catastrophe in the life of a woman only reinforces the expectation that we're supposed to feel somehow less womanly and alive if we don't or can't do it.
What opens Ms. K up for criticism is not that she's not having her own baby, but that she spends so much of her 8,000 words talking about HER experience and the opportunity that HER money afforded her without doing much more than momentarily pausing to mention the woman that is giving her the opportunity. What does the experience mean in her life, how does it impact her, what kind of woman is she? What does she think about any of this?
The juxtaposition of the experiences would have been much more interesting (and much less obviously plutocratic) than merely hearing about the enormous amount of time, effort, and money the author had the luxury of spending trying to have her own baby (because the average woman wouldn't even get most of those opportunities) and then the leisure activities her wealth afforded her while someone else was doing all the work. She's not aware that SHE is not the interesting character in this whole scenario - the surrogate is.
@pssshwhatever: You guys make good points. However, I feel like birth is being discussed as though it were an end into itself. I agree that A.K. seems to view giving birth as some kind of status symbol or social marker, but I don't think, or maybe I hope, that most people don't view birth as such. Giving birth is not about your worth as a woman, but about having someone to whom you give your love. Birth is the start of a uniquely wonderful relationship between parents and their child, that is, birth is a means to an end, not an end in itself.
@AwakenedDesires: Well said. And pregnancy and birth are the dinkiest part of the whole experience. The real work is in raising the child and giving it all the love you can. Let's see if Alex K. is up to that task.
surrogacy is a viable option for the rich right now; maybe some day it will be an option for all infertile women, when it's, you know, covered under universal healthcare
If we're playing Oppression Olympics, I think race pretty clearly trumps gender. I haven't been pulled over for "driving while white chick" lately, have you?
@Never Stop Dancing: not at all. He only points out that she is able to afford a solution to her problem -- which the author herself gleefully points out -- while poorer women have to suffer the same psychological fate without getting to buy a uterus for their babies.
Her pain is terrible, and infertility is never fun. But what rich people knew in the last century is still true: don't rub your wealth in other people's faces.
@cassandra: The problem may actually be that oppression because of race and oppression because of gender are being pitted against each other. We should all work this anger out by kicking Bernie Madoff in the nuts.
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full disclosure: gay former DINK, now have one kid through adoption, please don't hate me.
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The photos.
Particularly the one where Kuczynski was posed with her POC baby nurse on the palatial grounds of her home, like something out of "Gone With the Wind." I couldn't tell whether that photo was staged without Kuczynski or the photographer realizing what it looked like or with them thinking that it was edgy and ironic...either way, it made me hate them.
Combine it with the "barefoot and pregnant" shot of the surrogate and I about vomited.
I'm not against surrogacy. But Kuczynski's drivel-filled, myopic, privilege blinded writing about it makes me question whether my stance on surrogacy is right or wrong.
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OK so the letters are scrambled. They're there.
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Heliskiing in Alaska ... IN THE RECESSION!
Shopping at Barneys ... IN THE RECESSION!
See? The formula is airtight!
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Your precious concern for the rented uterus is beside the point and, frankly, annoying.
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Alex Kuczinski (or whatever it is) set herself up for attack with one of the most insipid self serving shallow articles ever but Frank isn't in a position to judge her.
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i was making my statement based on the nature of his article because he reserved a SINGLE line to her detailed description of everything she went through to have a baby.
she clearly went to considerable effort to try to have a baby herself and described those efforts in some detail
but frank demeaned her effort with a single line referencing it
i think another woman who has either tried to give birth or has given birth would be more compassionate
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but frank gave very short shrift to the psychological burden of a woman who goes through herculean efforts to have a baby and can't.
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Not getting exactly what you want in life, including the possibility of not getting to birth a child, is a reality that ALL of us contend with. That we treat it as such a grievous catastrophe in the life of a woman only reinforces the expectation that we're supposed to feel somehow less womanly and alive if we don't or can't do it.
What opens Ms. K up for criticism is not that she's not having her own baby, but that she spends so much of her 8,000 words talking about HER experience and the opportunity that HER money afforded her without doing much more than momentarily pausing to mention the woman that is giving her the opportunity. What does the experience mean in her life, how does it impact her, what kind of woman is she? What does she think about any of this?
The juxtaposition of the experiences would have been much more interesting (and much less obviously plutocratic) than merely hearing about the enormous amount of time, effort, and money the author had the luxury of spending trying to have her own baby (because the average woman wouldn't even get most of those opportunities) and then the leisure activities her wealth afforded her while someone else was doing all the work. She's not aware that SHE is not the interesting character in this whole scenario - the surrogate is.
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infertility is no doubt a heavy burden
surrogacy is a viable option for the rich right now; maybe some day it will be an option for all infertile women, when it's, you know, covered under universal healthcare
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Gender beats race?
Since when?
If we're playing Oppression Olympics, I think race pretty clearly trumps gender. I haven't been pulled over for "driving while white chick" lately, have you?
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Her pain is terrible, and infertility is never fun. But what rich people knew in the last century is still true: don't rub your wealth in other people's faces.
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