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raincoaster
11/16/09

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There's a guy who watches porn on his laptop all day long at the cafe near my house. But he goes outside to smoke. #cigarettes
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Dominant Glee Club
11/16/09

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This just in: no one ever moved to New York City for the air quality. #cigarettes
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skt.smth
11/16/09

@Dominant Glee Club: This just in: What is your point? #cigarettes
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Dominant Glee Club
11/16/09

@skt.smth: Smoking in the open air simply taints an already polluted atmosphere. If you want pure, clean air outside of your house, move to the mountains and paint the landscape with your brains. #cigarettes
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skt.smth
11/17/09

@Dominant Glee Club: Killing people with my shotgun simply taints an already violent atmosphere. If you want a safe, insulated social environment, move to a place where absolutely no one else lives and paint landscapes to sell on Etsy. #cigarettes
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Dominant Glee Club
11/17/09

@skt.smth: You have to double-check your Argument MadLibs to see if they're apt before you click "Share." #cigarettes
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skt.smth
11/17/09

@Dominant Glee Club: I found them apt both before and after the fact. #cigarettes
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Dominant Glee Club
11/17/09

@skt.smth: I have no doubt you did. #cigarettes
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SaraRueful
11/16/09

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That kid in the picture quit smoking. Today?

(apologies, it [my mac? firefox? gawker?] won't let me upload the photo from my desktop.) #cigarettes
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SaraRueful
11/16/09

@SaraRueful: (Never mind that last part. Phew.) #cigarettes
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randomnessish
11/16/09

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My college tried to surreptitiously ban smoking throughout campus. Luckily, we're not some namby-pamby fey northern liberal arts school; we're a motherfucking southern school with real live frats where people get drunk and nonsmokers smoke, and true red-blooded Americans won't stand for any a' that gay mothering shit.

No, but seriously, I'm glad I can saunter around campus with my cigarette looking super cool and annoying the hell out of all the tour groups and parents behind me.
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Nancy Sin
11/16/09

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Fun fact: the tot in that photo is actually 14. #cigarettes
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AliHajiSheik
11/16/09

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I assume this means I can ban non-commercial drivers from pouring their exhaust into my personal airspace? #cigarettes
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manchops
11/16/09

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You know what Im ready for? The FAT TAX. I'm so sick of all the whining about smokers and drinkers and now sex addicts and whatevs. When are we gonna deal with the fact that our country is stuffing food down its gullet like there's no tomorrow--talk about self-medicating!

Put me in coach on a plane, or on a crowded subway or elevator or, hell, just sharing a sidewalk, with the skinny-assed smoker as opposed to the person taking up the physical space for two or even three of us!

There, I said it--now I'm sure I'm gonna get smacked around for it--so bring it! #cigarettes
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hamburgerhotdog
11/16/09

@manchops: They did try to do a tax on oversized umbrellas (eg, golf ones) figuring obese people used them and would thus be taxed but honestly, taxing umbrellas?! #cigarettes
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RunawayPancake
11/16/09

@manchops:
What about us fat, hard-drinking smokers? #cigarettes
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Tchotchke
11/16/09

@manchops: As an incredibly tiny woman, who commutes, I am absolutely sick and tired of the fact that the largest person on the train ALWAYS zeros in on me because they figure that they'll have more space. It's politically incorrect to complain, I know that, but when you don't even have the space allotted to you because someone else saw an opportunity, your sympathy wanes. #cigarettes
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allyzay
11/16/09

@hamburgerhotdog: OK, they should just BAN those things. Not tax them. Straight up ban them because wtf @ a giant umbrella. Are you a mobile circus needing a movable tent? No? Then use a normal umbrella. #cigarettes
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KikiCanuck
11/16/09

@manchops: Today on spot the difference... Secondhand smoke and secondhand fat aren't really comparable. Someone being fat in your general vicinity will not make you fatter. Quite the opposite, according to all the women who deliberately choose fat bridesmaids (P.S. we're on to you.) Breathing in someone else's smoke, on the other hand, can totally make you sick, or make you cough, or make you into an annoying person who clears their throat theatrically and "whispers" about disgusting habits and how they're allergic to smoke.
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SaraRueful
11/16/09

@hamburgerhotdog: I used to commute from Greenwich CT (nonresident) to NYC every day and there were plenty of golf umbrellas on the platform -- and on the sidewalks of NYC-- when it rained. Held by average-sized, white, upper-class Wall Street pricks who never put down their cell phones. Maybe it's different in other parts of the country. #cigarettes
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Go Like Hell Machine
11/16/09

@KikiCanuck: Though, you could make an argument that obesity contributes to much, much higher social cost (hell, even the fucking military is complaining about this - I don't see them saying a damn thing about smokers). I'm not really going to make this argument, but it's there to make. #cigarettes
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Go Like Hell Machine
11/16/09

@RunawayPancake: I salute you! #cigarettes
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girlhowdy
11/16/09

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Household hint: A little bowl of vinegar left out overnight will absorb the odor of smoke from a room. When my other half heads out of town for a week I engage in some heavy smoking in the house. The day before he's due home, I leave out the vinegar, and when he arrives home he doesn't smell a thing. #cigarettes
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Go Like Hell Machine
11/16/09

@girlhowdy: I shall definitely remember this next time I'm on the 25th floor of a non-smoking hotel (as I am now). #cigarettes
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Spirit Fingers
11/16/09

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Just curious, do smokers like the smell of smoke when not smoking? I mean is it so delicious you could spread it on cinnamon toast? Honestly do they not think it's absolutely heinous?

'Cause when recently house hunting I walked into a home of two older folks who were both chainsmoking simultaneously. Okay. But their house smelled like shit covered tobacco. No, seriously. It smelled like there was a huge load in the front hall covered with cigarette ash that was smashed and smeared into every exposed surface that existed. These people were literally living in a noxious pit of cancer coated fog, and I was beyond pissed that my clothes smelled like impending emphysema after leaving.

So, yeah, what the hell is the resale value on a house made of tar? #cigarettes
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snugbug
11/16/09

@Spirit Fingers: I'm a pretty passionate smoker, but never smoke inside my own house. The way smoke has a way of tainting material objects turns me off. Big time. Luckily, I've always had a porch/balcony to indulge my filthy addiction. That being said, I find a man who smells faintly of tobacco--and cigarette-flavored kisses--very exciting. #cigarettes
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Swifter
11/16/09

@Spirit Fingers: A couple fingers of single malt scotch and a nice Padron torpedo make a wonderful taste sensation. Once a month. #cigarettes
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Spirit Fingers
11/16/09

@snugbug: and @Swifter: Urg, no. I'd rather use my tongue to swab cheek cells with a desert yak. Seriously. If you're sucking on what I can only describe as wet cow dung rolled in paper and lit on fire...yeah you can't be within a hundred yards of me. However, a good spicy old man pipe smells like Christmas and yule log. That I could smell wrapped in Egg Nog and rum cake all year. Go fig. #cigarettes
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BadUncle
11/16/09

@Spirit Fingers: How do you feel about a good, spicy old man? #cigarettes
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flossy
11/16/09

@Spirit Fingers: Nobody really likes the smell of smoke, but if you're a seasoned smoker in an environment where smoking is the norm, you don't really smell it at all.

My apartment (in which my boyfriend and I both smoke) surely reeks, but we're pretty much conditioned not to notice it. It's sort of like how you rarely notice how your own pets smell, but other people's pets invariably stink... #cigarettes
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Spirit Fingers
11/16/09

@BadUncle: and @flossy: A good spicy old man is grand unless that spice is coming fromunda the arm or balls. Then not so much.

Sooo, flossy, I guess it's all cool, unless you intend to have guests over and since there's no litter box to clean, you just turn up the glade plug in, burn a little patchouli incense and create the essence of tobacco roses and singed monkey butt to mask the smell of spoiled carcinogens. To hell with you Martha Stewart and your potpourri globes! We've got burnt hair and car emissions! (Heh. I kid.) #cigarettes
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KikiCanuck
11/16/09

@flossy: It's funny, I smoked for a long time, and never really noticed the smell of other people smoking, for good or for bad. However, when I was in the (long, horrible) process of quitting, if I so much as walked by a smoker on the street, the smell of tobacco was so pungent and enticing to me that it was all I could do not to pry their mouths open, unhinge my jaw, and devour the cigarette residue from their tongue and teeth. I was the Edward fucking Cullen of cigarettes. I never knew I could react to smell so powerfully - go figure. #cigarettes
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NewsBunny
11/16/09

@flossy: I used to smoke two packs of Malboro Lights a day. And for about a year after I quit, I LOVED the smell of cigarette smoke. I went outside with the smokers to enjoy the aroma.

Now, I don't. Cigarette smoke now triggers my migraines.

It's been ten years -- but I still have dreams....where I'm walking down the street, lighting one delicious Malboro Light after another, and smoking and smoking and smoking... #cigarettes
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lostarchitect
11/16/09

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I don't smoke, but I really do miss the smoke in bars. #cigarettes
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snugbug
11/16/09

@lostarchitect: Yes. The clouds of smoke refracted typical bar dim lighting in a way that flattered everyone. #cigarettes
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Pick-me-a-winner
11/16/09

@snugbug: Also, it was easy to identify who had an oral fixation and who didn't. Wink wink awoooooooogah #cigarettes
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Wenceslaus
11/16/09

@lostarchitect: I don't miss having to Febreze my hair after coming back from bars, though. #cigarettes
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Pick-me-a-winner
11/16/09

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A little off-topic, but want to know what really grinds my gears?

When bars first started with the smoking bans, it was quite a shock. It's obnoxious that legislation was passed mandating this rule, when the owners of the effected businesses (bars) should have had the right to decide whether or not to allow smoking in their establishment. Either choice would affect business. And the gov't could have offered incentives to those who chose to ban smoking.

That way, those who hate having their "clothes stink like cigs" could go to the non-smoking bars, and those who don't give a sh*t could go anywhere they want. You could have at least left the dive bars to us, no? Anyone that health-conscious isn't going to a diver bar anyway. #cigarettes
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Better to Eat You With
11/16/09

@Pick-me-a-winner: This is basically how it works here in Indianapolis. They've tried to pass a smoking ban for bars a number of times, in the name of protecting the employees, and failed. There are now lots of bars where you can smoke and lots where you can't, based on customer demand. Sadly for the nonsmokers, all the fun people go to the smoky ones.

Also: in a town I used to live in, they passed a no-smoking-in-eateries ordinance. The pancake house kept a collection plate, to which the smokers happily contributed, to pay the fine every month. #cigarettes
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Peter Feld
11/16/09

@Better to Eat You With: This is why a total ban is the only solution. And the idea of bar-owners' rights is just laughable. Do they have a right to spike your beer with strychnine? Right. They need to supply clean air to their clientele and employees, regardless of anyone's personal preference. #cigarettes
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allyzay
11/16/09

@Peter Feld: Where are you getting this from? From the idea that "the fun people go to the smoky ones"? Dude didn't say that "the non-smoky ones went out of business." Or are you just projecting that all of your friends would end up at a smoky bar, if this was enacted in any minor way in NYC, and thus affect you? The strychnine comparison is asinine and your iron-fist arguments on this topic are akin to a non-drinker getting pissed off that bars exist because they don't want their friends to have drinks, either. #cigarettes
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Better to Eat You With
11/16/09

@Peter Feld: I don't disagree at all. But I'm much more fascinated with the way things actually play out, once the ordinances have or haven't been passed. Some basic research shows, for example, that bars don't actually lose income--they generally gain it--after bans are passed. But they continue to shriek that they'll lose clientele, rather than seeing rationally that this could be good for everyone, including their own bottom lines. #cigarettes
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Peter Feld
11/16/09

@allyzay: OK, good points. But now Bloomberg has made cigarettes so expensive that if bars let people smoke they won't be able to buy drinks. (And yes, you're right: my friends would all go to the smokers bars and I'd be back to hosing myself down and sealing my clothes in plastic bags after a night out.) #cigarettes
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donopolis
11/17/09

@Peter Feld: Bunk! If you apply to work at a bar that is a "smoking bar" then you are either a smoker yourself, or you acknowledge that any possible damage done to your lungs is not the bars fault.

By total ban do you mean a Prohibition of cigarettes? Real smart, that worked out great the first time and hasn't worked any better against marijuana . #cigarettes
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Peter Feld
11/17/09

@donopolis: certainly I'd like to see cigarettes wiped out. But if they simply made restrictions against selling and marketing cigarettes to minors tougher and universally enforced, the problem would take care of itself. Statistically speaking (of course there are exceptions), almost no one starts smoking if they make it to 19 as a non-smoker.

And you're wrong about weed. As much as I might wish otherwise, no one ever blows weed into my face at a bar. Like it or not, the prohibition has been fairly effective at confining the behavior to private places like homes, woods near high schools, and concert arenas.
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Baroness
11/16/09

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I only smoke in museums. #cigarettes
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Go Like Hell Machine
11/16/09

@Baroness: I stick to hospitals. #cigarettes
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iplaudius
11/16/09

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If you don’t own the apartment, the landlord can set the terms, no? Like having pets? (Sorry, boring comment.) #cigarettes
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Go Like Hell Machine
11/16/09

@iplaudius: You know, I'm a pretty heavy smoker and think landlords are perfectly within their rights in banning people from smoking inside their apartments. I don't know about NYC, but in a lot of places I've lived in, this is pretty routine if you rent a house, duplex or townhouse.

However, the sidewalk outside? That's fucking ridiculous.
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buckets
11/16/09

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DISCLAIMER: I am not a smoker.

But I agree that sometimes you need to ban smoking in outdoor public places....if only for the clean up. Smokers, even if a can is provided, tend to throw there butts on the ground. Look all over the sidewalks of New York. In a courtyard or front stoop the management has to sweep them up. If I owned an apt complex I would ban smoking too.

I mean really...it is still trash. #cigarettes
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D2theMatthews
11/16/09

@buckets: That's why I like to squeeze 'em out and put the butts in my pockets. Then, I get to throw out like ten butts at the end of the day. #cigarettes
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Go Like Hell Machine
11/16/09

@buckets: As opposed to the soda/coffee cups, food wrappers, etc. that you never see on the street in New York. #cigarettes
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bytememehard
11/16/09

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Do these No Smoking in Your House rules apply to da ganja, too? #cigarettes
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zombies.like.lattés.too
11/16/09

@bytememehard: I'm not certain it would. Unless you got caught in the act of smoking, there would really be no way to tell. Cigarette smoke smell lingers much, much longer than cannabis smoke. #cigarettes
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11/16/09

@zombies.like.lattés.too: Seriously? Of course it would apply and also you'd run the risk of arrest if one of your nosy neighbors who hate cigarette smoke catches wind of it - way to take a joke comment by someone else and make it something confusing and weird! Also, please pot smokers: stop kidding yourself that that shit doesn't linger cos it totally does even if you put the towel down by the door crack and everything. Everyone in the building can tell. #cigarettes
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