I will never forget the thrill of The Village Voice when I arrived in NYC for college in the fall of 1975 from an upstate small town. The ads for gay movie theaters tweaked something within me. And then, my first semester, going to the personals ads and, very nervously, picking one by a gay man with his phone number and even more nervously calling him to make a date, thereby starting my way through the various baby steps to coming to terms with my sexual orientation, just six years after Stonewall. It really was wild and wooly and that wonderful Village Voice of days past, still so fondly remembered and the doors it opened still so deeply resonant to me.
@TrevorNatta: OK: so obvs you've been in NYC forever, do you remember the first NYC matchbook covers which had ads for phone s3x circa 1987, plain black text on white background reading simply "in the middle of the night, when there's no-one else" and a number to call? please, please, please tell me you remember this
It's sad, because Tom Robbins' weekly skewering of Bloomberg has been fantastic reading, and really the only critical voice in a NYC media that has fallen head-over-heels in love with our mayor.
Back in college I worked in a library that for some reason hoarded VV back to the mid-70s. It was interesting to see how straightforward the writing style was -- until about 1981 -- when it started reading like Semiotica meets Lester Bangs.
@1.1.1.: Yes! (Good article, though. His description of David Byrne is hysterical. And he recognized that The Ramones were a "killer band". Now, does ANYONE remember The Bananas? Not me...)
Just about every free weekly alternative paper in the US was based on the Village Voice. The Voice clones were all bought by New Times Media. Then New Times buys the Voice...
New Times Media comes in and decides that their experience with Voice clones qualifies them to use their management techniques to make the Voice "better"...
Do you see where I'm going with this?
It's like if MAD TV took over Saturday Night Live and made SNL be more like MAD TV... (vomit)
@se7a7n7: That's a good analogy, especially since Saturday Night Live also long ago lost most of its relevance. I guess that makes Michael Musto the Voice's Kristen Wiig?
Nowadays, the Voice basically runs Musto's column, one big expose or thought piece, a couple of restaurant reviews and "around town" listings. Musto is really the only thing left that you can't get a thousand other places.
Wow. What a lot of fuss. I guess I'll double-post this at Gawker and the Voice.
First: I don't see what on earth is "ironic" about the fact that my latest attack on Nick's probably illegal Independent Contractor scheme was picked up by the VV and that I was the last Gawker writer to do an item on the VV. Is some connection being suggested? I do these things a couple times a month and never expect it to get picked up as a news story.
I do it because Nick is unfair. First, I never expected to be anything but an Indy here because I only worked two days a week--though I worked freaking hard. But treating full-timers to that is wrong. Wrong. No matter what Nick's lawyers tell him. And if Nick's lawyers are as woeful at their jobs as the dude he had figuring out what writers were owed each month when I worked there, it is no wonder that he thinks he's on stable legal ground.
But, as Nick pointed out in the Voice comments, I have certainly been railing against his practices since at least December. To Nick, that makes it old news. To me, it means there's a big problem that you can fix with a little money but you refuse to just because you can refuse to.
But here's another idea, Nick. How about you become the good guy? You always asked me to portray Rupert Murdoch as "the roguish pirate" who should be admired on some level, but I worked for him, I met him and his associates: He is an utterly soulless, hopeless, joyless, dessicated corpse. His own children despise him and plot over who'll get what upon his death.
Is that what you want? Your huge empty, lifeless apartment, your bundles and bundles of money, and smugly cheating the people who make your little empire exist because your bad lawyers say you can?
In the first place, you're wrong. Let me not get into it in public, but you are wrong on the law. If anyone takes you to the IRS--and all it takes is one anonymous report--you'll be fried. You think I'm kidding. See if I am.
In the second place, why not just be the good guy? The writers constitute the smallest part of the people you employ. Your tech people get full-time employee status, insurance, and the basic guarantees that any full-time worker in this state and this country is legally afforded. Why not your writers? Because you want to fire them at will? Because you save a few thousand a year on top of the incredible profits that you share with no one?
And when it all goes pear-shaped on you, because you have broken the law, despite what your moron lawyer tells you, what then? Oblivion?
Spend the money. It's nothing to you. STOP BEING A DICK! STOP BEING A DICK!
That is all. Listen for once. You're not Rupert. And God damn you if you want to be. You'll die friendless and paranoid and leaking into your Depends, just like that old slime is doing right now.
This is hilarious, from one of the Voice subscribers with dialup:
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It's okay. Defamer is dead, Gawker is rapidly decaying, revealing its celebrity-stalking, obscene, unearned wealth-flaunting preoccupations to be a preserved-in-amber Bush era relic.
Gawker media won't make it to the end of the summer, and the people who work there should unite and quit. Or be powerless and whiney, and ride it out like the kneeling bitches they are.
I also predict, very soon, a tsunami of righteous and vibrating hatred for the 'let them eat cake' crowd of trust fund artistes, tastemakers and cultural vampires who have polluted American urban culture since 911 demolition.
@Uncle_Billy_Slumming: As a kneeling Bush-era relic with unearned wealth-flaunting preoccupations who has polluted culture even before the 911 demolition, I thank you.
But what the hell does, "The coin is turning, TRUST" mean? Isn't it, "the tide is turning?" And is this guy asking me to trust him, or the Voice? I don't understand their urban white dreadlocks speak.
Wait, I see what they were trying to do. It was a clunker though. Tide is turning, worm is turning, but with the use of "coin" to try to say "the money is starting to flow back in the other direction." Too clever by a fourth.
@cdmunch: The US government used the phrase "the worm will turn" in Cuban propoganda against Castro since Castro would refer to American allies and sympathizers as "gusanos."
Does this guy really have a reason to gloat here? It's hard to see how anything Nick does is worse than taking over the majority of the nation's alternative press and systematically firing the best writers, replacing them with (mostly) cheap corporate hacks.
I've refreshed pages a few times and have seen no banner ads today; not from Sprint and not from BMW-Mini. There is a little Sprint newsticker, but that's it. We're about to find out if Denton is a philanthropist?
Brainfahrt: I used Amazon for the first time yesterday to order a book. Upon landing on their main page, I saw ads directed at me that related to everything I've been doing on the internet for the past few months. Not one or two things... like 5 or 6 things. No coincidence. I do not have tracking cookies on my computer that I know of. Who *are* these people?
The Voice has ceased being relevant for anyone other than dogwalkers a decade ago. It used to be a fun read, something for kids who just moved to the city and wanted to pantomime Musto's sarcastic NYC attitude or find out about local bands. But for a place that once tried to be on the edge of things, it's become backwards and cranky and has completely missed out on the internet. Really, who has the time to trudge through all those inky pages? Their movie reviews read like bad college semiotics essays, their columnists seem to write the same "we hate money" shit every week, their local and political news is blown away by even the simplest bloggers and their bloodline, the sex industry, has moved to Craigslist or elsewhere. Even if they hadn't been bought by New Times, they still would have failed. Their culture and worldview is just so elderly.
@Foster Kamer: It's Sunday. Everyone reading right now either has a hangover, or just ran a marathon somewhere. Insidery stuff gives me agita on Sundays. Bygones.
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New Times Media comes in and decides that their experience with Voice clones qualifies them to use their management techniques to make the Voice "better"...
Do you see where I'm going with this?
It's like if MAD TV took over Saturday Night Live and made SNL be more like MAD TV... (vomit)
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OH GOD I'M AN OLD!!!!!
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First: I don't see what on earth is "ironic" about the fact that my latest attack on Nick's probably illegal Independent Contractor scheme was picked up by the VV and that I was the last Gawker writer to do an item on the VV. Is some connection being suggested? I do these things a couple times a month and never expect it to get picked up as a news story.
I do it because Nick is unfair. First, I never expected to be anything but an Indy here because I only worked two days a week--though I worked freaking hard. But treating full-timers to that is wrong. Wrong. No matter what Nick's lawyers tell him. And if Nick's lawyers are as woeful at their jobs as the dude he had figuring out what writers were owed each month when I worked there, it is no wonder that he thinks he's on stable legal ground.
But, as Nick pointed out in the Voice comments, I have certainly been railing against his practices since at least December. To Nick, that makes it old news. To me, it means there's a big problem that you can fix with a little money but you refuse to just because you can refuse to.
But here's another idea, Nick. How about you become the good guy? You always asked me to portray Rupert Murdoch as "the roguish pirate" who should be admired on some level, but I worked for him, I met him and his associates: He is an utterly soulless, hopeless, joyless, dessicated corpse. His own children despise him and plot over who'll get what upon his death.
Is that what you want? Your huge empty, lifeless apartment, your bundles and bundles of money, and smugly cheating the people who make your little empire exist because your bad lawyers say you can?
In the first place, you're wrong. Let me not get into it in public, but you are wrong on the law. If anyone takes you to the IRS--and all it takes is one anonymous report--you'll be fried. You think I'm kidding. See if I am.
In the second place, why not just be the good guy? The writers constitute the smallest part of the people you employ. Your tech people get full-time employee status, insurance, and the basic guarantees that any full-time worker in this state and this country is legally afforded. Why not your writers? Because you want to fire them at will? Because you save a few thousand a year on top of the incredible profits that you share with no one?
And when it all goes pear-shaped on you, because you have broken the law, despite what your moron lawyer tells you, what then? Oblivion?
Spend the money. It's nothing to you. STOP BEING A DICK! STOP BEING A DICK!
That is all. Listen for once. You're not Rupert. And God damn you if you want to be. You'll die friendless and paranoid and leaking into your Depends, just like that old slime is doing right now.
Best, Ian
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"scryingtheball says:
It's okay. Defamer is dead, Gawker is rapidly decaying, revealing its celebrity-stalking, obscene, unearned wealth-flaunting preoccupations to be a preserved-in-amber Bush era relic.
Gawker media won't make it to the end of the summer, and the people who work there should unite and quit. Or be powerless and whiney, and ride it out like the kneeling bitches they are.
I also predict, very soon, a tsunami of righteous and vibrating hatred for the 'let them eat cake' crowd of trust fund artistes, tastemakers and cultural vampires who have polluted American urban culture since 911 demolition.
The coin is turning, TRUST."
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Zounds, that was worth a heart.
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But what the hell does, "The coin is turning, TRUST" mean? Isn't it, "the tide is turning?" And is this guy asking me to trust him, or the Voice? I don't understand their urban white dreadlocks speak.
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Yeah, my aunt Hadassah talks like that.
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Wait, I see what they were trying to do. It was a clunker though. Tide is turning, worm is turning, but with the use of "coin" to try to say "the money is starting to flow back in the other direction." Too clever by a fourth.
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"The worm is turning!"
"Well, if you'd quit squirming around so much I'd be able to keep it in."
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Yeah, that didn't work out so well.
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It's an ancient expression. "Worm" originally meant dragon.
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...and of course as soon as I leave that comment, Volkswagon and Syfy ads start coming up.
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Brainfahrt: I used Amazon for the first time yesterday to order a book. Upon landing on their main page, I saw ads directed at me that related to everything I've been doing on the internet for the past few months. Not one or two things... like 5 or 6 things. No coincidence. I do not have tracking cookies on my computer that I know of. Who *are* these people?
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I'm just trying to figure you out, other than the fact that you're 24.
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