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    Image of twig twig
    11/18/09

    In reply to What's So Unbearable about Working at Google New York?
    You've been doing fairly well, Ryan, but you're falling into one of the classic 'Wag traps: you, like your predecessor, consistently misinterpret the connection between engineers and execs. This is especially important at Google, where the work experience for engineers is different than the experience in other divisions of the company.

    This is not to say that bad execs and good execs have no effect on engineers, because they do -- particularly the bad ones, who can very easily spoil a development environment. But the factors that determine a "good" or "bad" exec from an engineer's point of view are frequently not the same as the factors that cause the business press to draw conclusions about their quality.

    So what did GoogNYCers really think of Armstrong or your other gossip targets? It's astonishing that in a company that employees thousands of engineers, you can't find a single decent tipster. They are out there, I am sure.
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    11/18/09

    In reply to What's So Unbearable about Working at Google New York?
    My old roommate worked for Google, and her complaints were about the following:

    - Relentless, robotic corporate culture
    - How braindead said culture made her feel
    - Higher management pressure to party and be seen with other Googlers
    - The fact that so many other Googlers can't understand why a normal person would want to have non-work friends
    - Politics and office drama associated with zombie corporate culture and rampant social incest
    - How fucking boring it was
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    Image of lionel-mandrake lionel-mandrake
    11/18/09

    @pureblarney: Yep. I heard the same thing.

    Money aside (and it's not an inconsiderable aside), the couple times I've visited friends there (hey, free lunch), it seemed an atrocious place to work. Gave me the creeps.
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    11/18/09

    @pureblarney: I have a friend who worked there as well. After he got married, he asked if he could cut back to 11 hours a day, or if that wasn't possible, to transition into part time or flex time.

    His supervisor flipped out and questioned his loyalty (?!!?) and then started screwing with him, changing deadlines, etc until my friend quit.
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    Image of badasscat badasscat
    11/18/09

    In reply to What's So Unbearable about Working at Google New York?
    You know, while it may pay for things like food, rent, alcohol and limousines, money really *isn't* everything. For a lot of people, there is a point where no amount of money can make working in a difficult job bearable. Once you're making enough to live on, a company just offering to throw more money at you in order that you shut up and accept any amount of abuse that they heap on you just is not a very compelling offer anymore.

    I don't work at Google and I don't make a lot of money. But I have worked at other places like that, where I could have made a lot of money if I had just agreed to play their little games and given up any semblance of my own life as part of the deal. I chose to leave instead too.
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    Image of SNForrester SNForrester
    11/18/09

    In reply to What's So Unbearable about Working at Google New York?
    Gimme a break. The IPO was 5 years ago and the company went from 2000 to 20,000 employees since then. If people are leaving, it's because Google is no longer a start up. I'm sure the food and stuff is still wonderful, but the potential to get filthy stinking rich is not what it used to be.
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    Image of A Message To Rudy A Message To Rudy
    11/18/09

    In reply to What's So Unbearable about Working at Google New York?
    Well, taking turns driving around every city in the world taking picures of every single stretch of street has got to be a horrible way to start a Monday.
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    Image of manchops manchops
    11/18/09

    In reply to What's So Unbearable about Working at Google New York?
    There's probably issues finding parking in those razor scooter racks on monday mornings or something

    (please never show that photo again of the razor scooter racks at google--eyes already bled out from the first time you did it)
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    Image of HenryLovesFonzie HenryLovesFonzie
    11/18/09

    In reply to What's So Unbearable about Working at Google New York?
    I used to work at Yahoo! and have many friends at Google. I must say, they do have great benefits... but the politics and uncertainty associated with working for such a large company can be difficult.
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    Image of mimigoliath mimigoliath
    11/18/09

    In reply to What's So Unbearable about Working at Google New York?
    My job makes me cry and want to cut myself, and I can't leave because I need the tiny salary that won't even get me out of my parents' house. So Google can keep whining. And yes, I'm bitter and it could be worse. But it still sucks.
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    10/30/09

    In reply to Google's Broken Hiring Process
    In order to be hired there even though you scored a 1, you essentially have to be a total rockstar. Let's say you've got your PhD in crypto, worked for some other huge tech firm but you suck at interviews and you're so specialized it's not even relevant. Yeah, you're going to get a 1, but when they look at your resume, see your publications and qualifications you get hired. Are you going to be a good employee with those stats? Yeah, most likely.

    That being said, people who score 1's, or at least, the 99% who do, many of them wouldn't be able to hack it. If you don't have the social skills you need to have the technical skills. If you don't have either, makes sense that you'd get bounced.

    Also, word on the street is that Google is pretty widely hiring right now--not laying off.
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    Image of Moonshine Mike Moonshine Mike
    10/30/09

    In reply to Google's Broken Hiring Process
    Hard to say, because I flunked a phone interview with them (second or third one) and got bounced. #google
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    Image of raincoaster raincoaster
    10/30/09

    In reply to Google's Broken Hiring Process
    The guy who wrote Dress for Success in the 70's is a statistician by trade, and he once analyzed the success of various hiring techniques. The best indicator of later success? Passing the interview with experts in the field the person would be working in; the worst? Impressing the HR drones. #google
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    Image of Moonshine Mike Moonshine Mike
    10/30/09

    @raincoaster: Sure, but the people giving the tests at google may be experts, but they lack social skills. #google
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    Image of lord002 lord002
    10/29/09

    In reply to Google's Broken Hiring Process
    I went through an interview with Google and, of course, this is going to sound like sour grapes, but it ain't ... really.

    I've got 20 years on the little snot-nosed recent PhD interviewing me and he starts throwing these lame-ass puzzles at me. He speaks, throughout, in the most condescending imaginable tones. Some of them are trivial as in "why are you wasting my time with this, I've already offered to send you code samples and some of my algorithm work". Some of them are so poorly phrased as to have no good answer. A final one was an old saw of a problem - one I'd seen decades ago, once knew the "trick", but that would take more more than 1m to remember the trick. It wasn't even a very practical problem or trick to know for any utilitarian purpose - just one of those old puzzles that geeks trade around as useless toys. Since it was taking me more than about a minute to reconstruct the answer he grew impatient and started talking to me like I was a three year old. The interviewer said several other idiotic things in the course of discussion (not rude, I mean -- technically stupid (although he was also rude)). Our mutual disrespect was mutually clear, I think, by the end of the interview.

    A serious problem with Google's culture, I learned that day, is that their declaration of owning "the world's best engineers" has the very bad side effect of giving every loser hired into engineering there the unsubstantiated belief that they are a member of that species.

    What I've learned, over the years, is that you have to pretty much (not absolutely, but close) *never* trust an engineer who regards himself as anything other than an average plodder, prone to mistakes, who might be *slightly* better than most at this or that specialty. Those are the only honest engineers you'll find, for the most part. They are the only ones who are appropriately skeptical of their own brilliance. And they do the best work.

    The founders of Google set a really bogus tone, from the outset.

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    Image of pepelicious pepelicious
    10/29/09

    In reply to Google's Broken Hiring Process
    To be fair, most of the questions are about cupcakes. #google
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    Image of Swifter Swifter
    10/29/09

    @pepelicious: You're hired. #google
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    Image of edosan edosan
    10/29/09

    In reply to Google's Broken Hiring Process
    So let me see if I get this:

    First, they come up with a battery of ridiculous questions, then they look at the people that do the worst at answering them and then hire one of those people they just REALLY LIKED.

    Wow. That makes a lot of sense. #google
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    10/29/09

    @edosan: I wonder if doing poorly in an interview reflects not giving the interviewer what s/he expects or wants, in other words, it's a predictor of independence or original thinking. Of course the candidate generally has to be intellectualy solid, not just contrary, so s/he has to ace the other three and be liked well enough to be faught over.

    I remember there was an article about a Google (?) HR person (?) who had ridiculously strict ideas of who would make a good employee.
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    Image of Niko Bellic Niko Bellic
    10/07/09

    In reply to Google Honchos: Our Employees Should Be Grateful They're Not Starving in Gutter
    Google is The Devil.
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