Last I looked, we had full diplomatic relations with Italy and in fact are their allies -- so how do you justify Anericans violating their laws? The slippery slope problems of what the CIA operatives did in this case are enormous, and the appartent slurs on Italian "law" and its intelligence organization -- with no citation whatsoever -- seems like a lazy "all Italians are mafiosi" argument. #italy
btw... Leon Panetta would agree with you wholeheartedly.
(And if Mr. Panetta was a friend o' the mob, he would probably agree with you even more.)
I get a very Michael D. Brown vibe from this fellow. Maybe it's his interest in ocean water and affinity for seahorses?
"Panetta has long been an advocate for the health of the world's oceans. As a member of Congress from California’s 16th District, he wrote numerous successful acts of Congress to protect the California coast, including legislation creating the Monterey Bay National Marine Sanctuary.[19][20][21] In 2003, Panetta was named chairman and commissioner of the Pew Oceans Commission, which in 2005 combined with the U.S. Commission on Ocean Policy to establish the Joint Ocean Commission Initiative. Panetta now co-chairs the Joint Ocean Commission Initiative with Admiral James D. Watkins, U.S. Navy (Ret.).[22] Panetta continues to pursue his commitment to ocean and marine life issues, serving as a resource for legislators and the media, advocating for ocean reform on behalf of the Joint Ocean Commission Initiative as well as other ocean organizations, including the National Marine Sanctuary Foundation[23] and the Monterey Bay Aquarium.[24]
In 2006 he was part of the Iraq Study Group, also known as the Baker Commission"
Grazie, I was looking for links that would validate the claim that Italian spies are incompetent. This could also be done with a movie about a viagra-popping Clouseau-like character, codenamed "Beppo De Gennaro." Is Marcello Mastroianni still around?
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This looks like more fun than Dante's Inferno, and a much quicker read. Any up for translating 9 pages of butt-gusting Italian?
Armando Spataro, the deputy public prosecutor in Milan, said in his closing argument Wednesday that it was "unthinkable" that the U.S. policy of extraordinary rendition should trump Italian law, which forbids kidnapping.
"Here, Italian law rules, not American law or any other law," he said.
Ok, "extraordinary rendition" does not trump the Italian law. What about "we are the land of freedom"? I'm pretty sure that one trumps all laws in all foreign countries. Not to mention all logic in the entire Universe too!
In all seriousness, what would the US do if a bunch of Italian secret agents kidnapped our CIA torturers? Complain? I don't see Obama invading Italy, even if he'd like to deck the Berlusconi. #italy
Even if his his waterboarding and ritual abuse program never yielded a scrap of intelligence that was of value, Cheney will claim that it did. And he'll have the idiots and morons in this country who believe torture is a good idea to back him up, simply because they're fucked up sadists.
This finding is yet another nail in the coffin of the pro-torture argument, which never really needed to go beyond: because it's illegal.
Whatever happened to truth serums? It was used with great effect on both agents 86 and 99, *and* the chief. We have what, like, half a trillion in unaccounted spying expenditure and we can't come up with something that works as well as beer and a blowjob?
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BTW, if he was interrogated in Italy, it would have just been slapping each other. #italy
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Make that: "Hear, hear!"
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(I lost editing privileges?) #italy
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btw... Leon Panetta would agree with you wholeheartedly.
(And if Mr. Panetta was a friend o' the mob, he would probably agree with you even more.)
I get a very Michael D. Brown vibe from this fellow. Maybe it's his interest in ocean water and affinity for seahorses?
"Panetta has long been an advocate for the health of the world's oceans. As a member of Congress from California’s 16th District, he wrote numerous successful acts of Congress to protect the California coast, including legislation creating the Monterey Bay National Marine Sanctuary.[19][20][21] In 2003, Panetta was named chairman and commissioner of the Pew Oceans Commission, which in 2005 combined with the U.S. Commission on Ocean Policy to establish the Joint Ocean Commission Initiative. Panetta now co-chairs the Joint Ocean Commission Initiative with Admiral James D. Watkins, U.S. Navy (Ret.).[22] Panetta continues to pursue his commitment to ocean and marine life issues, serving as a resource for legislators and the media, advocating for ocean reform on behalf of the Joint Ocean Commission Initiative as well as other ocean organizations, including the National Marine Sanctuary Foundation[23] and the Monterey Bay Aquarium.[24]
In 2006 he was part of the Iraq Study Group, also known as the Baker Commission"
[en.wikipedia.org] #italy
11/04/09
These 22 guys won't be able to travel to much of anywhere in Europe, since intra-European extradition is a breeze. #italy
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Links, please. #italy
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Grazie, I was looking for links that would validate the claim that Italian spies are incompetent. This could also be done with a movie about a viagra-popping Clouseau-like character, codenamed "Beppo De Gennaro." Is Marcello Mastroianni still around?
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This looks like more fun than Dante's Inferno, and a much quicker read. Any up for translating 9 pages of butt-gusting Italian?
[www.sicurezzanazionale.gov.it] #italy
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"Here, Italian law rules, not American law or any other law," he said.
Ok, "extraordinary rendition" does not trump the Italian law. What about "we are the land of freedom"? I'm pretty sure that one trumps all laws in all foreign countries. Not to mention all logic in the entire Universe too!
11/04/09
@Niko Bellic: Chuck Norris trumps all laws in all foreign countries.
Chuck Norris is the law.
11/04/09
In all seriousness, what would the US do if a bunch of Italian secret agents kidnapped our CIA torturers? Complain? I don't see Obama invading Italy, even if he'd like to deck the Berlusconi. #italy
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This finding is yet another nail in the coffin of the pro-torture argument, which never really needed to go beyond: because it's illegal.
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