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    Image of OMG! Ponies! OMG! Ponies!
    11/16/09

    In reply to The New NIMBYs
    Look, I'm not an elitist or a classist by any stretch of the imagination but can you honestly say that something as blue-collar as a garage for garbage trucks - GARBAGE TRUCKS! - belongs anywhere near this neighborhood?

    I'm sure there are better places for such a garage. Perhaps we could concentrate all of our more industrial facilities in areas of the Bronx. Personally, I think that there would be any number of benefits.

    For starters, most of the people who excel at industrial jobs live in the Bronx and would benefit from being closer to their workplace. Think of the savings on their commute time. Plus, given that those people tend to have very large families, the shorter commute time would mean that they could spend less time buying fast food and more time raising their many children.

    Also, Manhattan is a place known for historic buildings. This is not so with Staten Island and the Bronx. Those places are historically known for bad architecture and low property values. All the more reason to put our city's waste treatment plants, garages, and rehabilitation centers in those places.

    This city depends on (in no small part) property tax revenues. If things like garbage truck garages are allowed to exist in traditionally high-income areas like TriBeCa and Hudson Square, the city's coffers will suffer.

    I understand that there are a lot of naysayers out there that bemoan the supposed ills of gentrification. But the truth is that gentrification makes the city a much more vibrant and desirable place to live.

    Plus, to those thinking that gentrification somehow harms minorities, consider the job opportunities for Blacks and Latinos in the childcare, food service and preparation, and housekeeping industries that are made possible by luxury condominiums and fine dining establishments. Gentrification helps the city's poor minorities.

    If you look back at the city's history, you'll see that this sort of facility simply does not belong in Hudson Square. Please help keep our neighborhoods pure. #trendwatch
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    11/16/09

    @OMG! Ponies!: This is wonderful satire. #trendwatch
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    Image of Tiger Lourdes: Zombie Hunter Tiger Lourdes: Zombie Hunter
    11/16/09

    In reply to The New NIMBYs
    Whatever the Silver Fox is for I'm supportive. #trendwatch
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    Image of friendslikeJimRome friendslikeJimRome
    11/16/09

    In reply to The New NIMBYs
    I love it when someone says, "We're no NIMBYs." You know the next statement is going to either be a lie or some convoluted logic. #trendwatch
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    Image of Mike Jahn Mike Jahn
    11/16/09

    In reply to The New NIMBYs
    Pre-gentrification, my son used to brag about having an apartment in the Meatmarket District. Now he just says "Village." #trendwatch
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    Image of City_Dater City_Dater
    11/16/09

    In reply to The New NIMBYs
    So make them (or rather, their "people") carry their own garbage to a secure location far away where garbage trucks are sequestered to protect Rich People from the squeamish realities of city life. And charge them $5,000 a month for this service.

    Having a garbage truck parking lot in the neighborhood will probably start to seem a lot less annoying to some of them... #trendwatch
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    Image of StuckInThe215 StuckInThe215
    11/16/09

    In reply to The New NIMBYs
    I just want to point out that they are not against having garbage trucks stored there, they are against the ugliness of the city's design. They even hosted their own architectural competition to design something better. And sure, the new design only holds trucks from two community boards, instead of three, but it will be much cheaper, provide green space to the neighborhood, and not block the view from their fancy towers. Grit is fine. Bad design is not. #trendwatch
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    Image of dissentingopinion dissentingopinion
    11/16/09

    @StuckInThe215: How dare anyone suggest they live near a badly designed structure? #trendwatch
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    Image of DennyCrane DennyCrane
    11/16/09

    @StuckInThe215: The article says that it will actually be more expensive for the city once they factor in the cost of acquiring and building another building to handle refuse from the other community board that's not included in the plan.
    And there is no way a sanitation facility - even one that handles three community boards' worth of trash - is going to be large enough to block anyone's view of anything. #trendwatch
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    Image of Megan Brady Megan Brady
    11/16/09

    In reply to The New NIMBYs
    I live in Louisville - fairly close to Butchertown - and if you don't like the smell of the meat packing plant, and the noise of the trucks, and the sounds of the animals being brought for slaughter - then don't live there. Those smells support hardworking people, families who have lived and worked in that neighborhood for generations. It's like when someone moves into a McMansion in some subdivision next to a farm - then complains about the smell of cow manure, or the noises the horses make. #trendwatch
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    Image of Go Like Hell Machine Go Like Hell Machine
    11/16/09

    @Megan Brady: I live outside of Denver, and these complaints remind me of the people who move into the unincorporated areas near the mountains, then complain about bears and mountain lions.

    YOU LIVE IN THE FUCKING MOUNTAINS, YOU RICH ASSHOLES. #trendwatch
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    Image of Mike Jahn Mike Jahn
    11/16/09

    @Megan Brady: I remember when people bought cheap houses at the end of the runway at JFK and immediately began complaining about the noise. #trendwatch
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    Image of Megan Brady Megan Brady
    11/16/09

    @Go Like Hell Machine: And I do believe that The Amish are being driven out of Lancaster, PA - because of the cost of living and the complainst about their way of life. Ya know - those horse and buggys are pretty slow. #trendwatch
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    Image of DennyCrane DennyCrane
    11/16/09

    In reply to The New NIMBYs
    You mean the area that already has a Department of Sanitation facility on Canal and Washington, the Fed Ex World Service Center on Leroy and Greenwich and a huge trucking facility on Washington between Spring and Clarkson? Are you going to chase them all away too?

    Ugh. #trendwatch
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    Image of hamburgerhotdog hamburgerhotdog
    11/16/09

    In reply to The New NIMBYs
    Ah Tribeca! Where the hellmouth known as the Holland Tunnel dumps slow moving traffic spewing exhaust, night and day honking. How dare they park a truck in that mayhem!
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    Image of AliHajiSheik AliHajiSheik
    11/16/09

    @hamburgerhotdog: And how dare the lingering smell of horseshit from the police stables be forced to compete. #trendwatch
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    Image of pollyannacowgirl pollyannacowgirl
    11/16/09

    In reply to The New NIMBYs
    How does a "performance artist" afford to live in Hudson Square, anyway? #trendwatch
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    Image of Better to Eat You With Better to Eat You With
    11/16/09

    @pollyannacowgirl: Her full-time performance art is being a trust-funder and/or trophy wife. #trendwatch
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    Image of En0s1 En0s1
    11/16/09

    @pollyannacowgirl: They have these Funds of Trust I believe. #trendwatch
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    Image of misslinda misslinda
    11/16/09

    In reply to The New NIMBYs
    Bah, this is nothing. Gimme a call when someone applies for a liquor license within the East Village's "resolution zone," then I'll show you some real NIMBYs. #trendwatch
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    Image of boobookitt boobookitt
    11/16/09

    In reply to The New NIMBYs
    OK - last thing before my brain explodes - why don't these people fucking move to Rockland or Westchester? It's a city here. CITY.

    Asses. #trendwatch
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    Image of Mike Jahn Mike Jahn
    11/16/09

    @boobookitt: Amen. God created Larchmont for a reason. All evidence to the contrary. #trendwatch
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    Image of Dickdogfood Dickdogfood
    11/16/09

    In reply to The New NIMBYs
    The "wonderful halo of long-gone industrial grit," eh? Yeah. The only people who love grit for its own sake are, for all intents and purposes, tourists. #trendwatch
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    Image of MisterMustard MisterMustard
    11/16/09

    In reply to The New NIMBYs
    They should've used a picture of the GB 9/12 rally to make the rally look more imposing. #trendwatch
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    Image of Go Like Hell Machine Go Like Hell Machine
    11/16/09

    In reply to The New NIMBYs
    I suppose the city could raise garbage rates in the neighborhood to cover the cost of having to find a presumably further and/or less convenient location for the garbage trucks. #trendwatch
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    Image of Go Like Hell Machine Go Like Hell Machine
    11/16/09

    @Go Like Hell Machine: I take this back, as these people could actually afford it. #trendwatch
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