"...so the whole hubbub wasn't affecting the network's revenues. But today,..."
The data about Beck's ad dollars dropping does not contradict Fox's claim that overall revenue are stable.
The chart only shows that Beck's ad revenue has dropped. That's never been in dispute. Why is data pertaining only to his revenue being used to rebuff claims about the channel's overall revenue? Am I missing something?
@Goosed: If his ad revenue dropped, the ad revenue elsewhere would have had to go up in order for Beck's drop in revenue to have zero effect on the overall ad revenue.
If advertisers are shifting to other Fox programs, as Fox says they are, then what ads are being bumped for those ones? And are these advertisers still paying for Glenn Beck ratings when they're not advertising on Beck's show? I find that hard to believe.
Well, keeping Beck on the air is starting to look more and more like socialism. Because he's not carrying his weight. At some point, Fox loves money more than the right wing and he's getting the boot.
Having used most of the software that generates this data, a lot of what they're saying here seems to raise a red flag. First off, Advertiser data isn't loaded in for at least a week, with revenue data generally on a three week to a month lag. Also, they generally just look at ratecard with a weekly ratings adjustment, so any significant revenue drops on a week-by-week basis have to be based on wild speculation.
Plus, even if we make the safe assumption that DR rates are a lot cheaper than non-DR advertising, a large percentage of the non-DR stuff would have been sold in the upfront before last, ie. June-July 2008, before Beck popularity and ratings surged. As such, the guaranteed deals that include this show are likely to be overdelivering, and so moving the units to lower-rated hours on the network are probably not doing much to the actual bottom line, in fact it might actually be helping by enabling FNC to move significantly overdelivering clients to lower rated hours without penalty or argument.
Sorry, I realize that got a bit technical for people not in advertising.
Fox will almost certainly just ride this out. Even with reduced revenue, shows like Beck's are cheap to produce and so remain immensely profitable. Plus, by sticking with him, Fox keeps faith with its audience, and thus protects all the shows on the channel.
@Shawn Wasson: It's a crock of shit because Fox News says it's a crock of shit, with no supporting evidence whatsoever? Well, that's certainly persuasive. It's not as if they'd ever misrepresent the truth in any way, or have any compelling motive for doing so.
@MissNormaDesmond: By the way, in semi-response to the dumb troll whom I'm not going to unpinkify, it's not that I don't find these numbers fairly suspect myself. However, it's silly to pretend that Fox's having said they're wrong without any kind of substantiation constitutes proof that they are.
"the source and shown the raw data on the condition that we don't reveal where it came from:.."
Sorry not buying it , if you can't show us the data then it didn't happen. I'm sure you have a secret source that knows where Hofffa is buried but you can't reveal that either. If you ever intend to be journalist you can't take sides otherwise you're just another liberal/conservative blog site with lots of fan boys.
@LGgeek: It's actually pretty easy to figure out. Fox News has advertisers buying bulk time on their channel. They then program the ads throughout the 24 hour broadcasting day, depending on how many ads purchased and how much was spent.
If advertisers then start specifically pulling out of an hour your day is now reduced to 23. Which is how at first Fox was able to spin it, many of the advertisers pulling out originally never even aired during Beck's show, but eventually that dead hour catches up.
Long explanation made short, Fox News has to charge slashed rates for a highly rated hour of their day = Lower revenue for the day overall and the hour in question.
Given the general gullibility and current sense of political emasculation of Glenn Beck's audience, though, it's probably the greatest ad buy ever for Enzyte.
The largest week-to-week drop might've been while he was off-air and when it was rumored that he was on suspension, but the ad dollars didn't come back.
@BadUncle: I'm pretty sure it is the same Glenn Beck who allegedly raped and murdered a girl in 1990. I wish Glenn would answer these charges on his show!
@Cicada: I find it very telling that he won't address the rumors that he raped and murdered a girl in 1990. If there's nothing to hide, then why is he hiding?
@AZ_Gopher: Well, there's lies, damned lies and allegations that Glenn Beck still fucks chickens. I don't buy it, but some of the more gullible among us might if Beck doesn't step forward soon and re-assure the public that he does not currently have sex with barnyard fowl.
Chumps, the twin towers were never there. This whole thing is TV news FX and what we used to call mass hysteria. C'mon, do you really have solid memories of your breakfast meeting at Windows on the World? Sure that wasn't implanted?
So that 12-year-old I knew on the flight that didn't crash in the Pentagon is still alive. That would mean her mother, who suffered a fatal stroke as a result of the news, died needlessly?
Answer that, Truthers.
Forget the lack of fighter interception. The airspace surrounding the Pentagon wasn't monitored by some form of military air search radar on 9-11-01? Surface to air missiles for air defense aren't deployed for protecting the Capitol of the United States? As a Viet Nam (radar operator by the way) combat veteran, I find that scenario really hard to swallow. Does that make me a moron? I'll start believing in talking snakes before I ever stop believing that the attacks of 9-11-2001 weren't an "inside job".
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The data about Beck's ad dollars dropping does not contradict Fox's claim that overall revenue are stable.
The chart only shows that Beck's ad revenue has dropped. That's never been in dispute. Why is data pertaining only to his revenue being used to rebuff claims about the channel's overall revenue? Am I missing something?
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If advertisers are shifting to other Fox programs, as Fox says they are, then what ads are being bumped for those ones? And are these advertisers still paying for Glenn Beck ratings when they're not advertising on Beck's show? I find that hard to believe.
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Plus, even if we make the safe assumption that DR rates are a lot cheaper than non-DR advertising, a large percentage of the non-DR stuff would have been sold in the upfront before last, ie. June-July 2008, before Beck popularity and ratings surged. As such, the guaranteed deals that include this show are likely to be overdelivering, and so moving the units to lower-rated hours on the network are probably not doing much to the actual bottom line, in fact it might actually be helping by enabling FNC to move significantly overdelivering clients to lower rated hours without penalty or argument.
Sorry, I realize that got a bit technical for people not in advertising.
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But hey, it fits the mold, run it anyhow!
Can we farm out the political haymaker crap to Wonkette and stick to the fun stuff again?
When it's so obvious that you're trying to prove a political point, land a shot at any cost, it just comes off as pathetic.
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Sorry not buying it , if you can't show us the data then it didn't happen. I'm sure you have a secret source that knows where Hofffa is buried but you can't reveal that either. If you ever intend to be journalist you can't take sides otherwise you're just another liberal/conservative blog site with lots of fan boys.
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If advertisers then start specifically pulling out of an hour your day is now reduced to 23. Which is how at first Fox was able to spin it, many of the advertisers pulling out originally never even aired during Beck's show, but eventually that dead hour catches up.
Long explanation made short, Fox News has to charge slashed rates for a highly rated hour of their day = Lower revenue for the day overall and the hour in question.
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*grabs popcorn & coke*
This should be interesting.
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Yet, still failing miserably.
It's almost cute.
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Answer that, Truthers.
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