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    Image of ninety_nine ninety_nine
    06/16/09

    In reply to Typo, Filler Ad, Mainstream Movie Herald New York Observer's Second Very Short List
    Maybe they thought DO was a new section in the 'revamped' Observer. Fun fact that you might have been able to discover if Pediaite had launched (or searched the DO archives): the character of Miles Drentell from thirtysomething (it's a television Foster -- we used to watch them) was perhaps based on DO editor Bill Drenttel.
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    Image of Foster Kamer Foster Kamer
    06/16/09

    @ninety_nine: What? Is that a Hills spinoff? Do not get.
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    Image of Dominant Glee Club Dominant Glee Club
    06/15/09

    In reply to 'The Observer's Very Short List' Proudly Brought to You by the New York Observer
    High-brown? What is going with Gawker lately?
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    Image of Mount_Prion Mount_Prion
    06/15/09

    @The Dominant Glee Club: It's a typo. They happen, and people have been giving Gawker and blogs in general shit for them for years now.


    At least it wasn't "high-yaller".

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    Image of BookishLookish BookishLookish
    06/15/09

    @The Dominant Glee Club: Thank goodness we have you, little anal-retentive pedant, to point everything out! You are going straight to heaven!
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    Image of iplaudius iplaudius
    06/15/09

    @The Dominant Glee Club: I kind of like it. It’s like how Fox News would describe our eloquent elitist spicy-mustard loving (brown) President. High flown + (over-)blown + brown = high-brown. Genius!
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    Image of raincoaster raincoaster
    06/15/09

    In reply to 'Very Short List's Been Sold To Jared Kushner, We're All Fired.'
    D. Duh.
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    Image of Awesome X Awesome X
    06/14/09

    In reply to 'Very Short List's Been Sold To Jared Kushner, We're All Fired.'
    Ethical question. You were just canned. The new you is on the phone, asking how to do the job you'd performed competently and admirably. Do you


    A. Oblige helpfully. What do you care, anyway? No use burning bridges.


    B. Oblige, but only answering direct questions. Why offer advice? Help a brother out, but make sure they miss you leave one last time.


    C. Tell'em to fuck off. It's not your problem and, hell, they're the one's who burned the bridge down, not you.


    D. It doesn't matter because you're at the back door when the phone rings, smoking a (to be banned, probably) Marlboro Light while trying to work out whether you want to just say to hell with all media and move back home with mom and dad.

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    Image of FormerEnglishMajor FormerEnglishMajor
    06/15/09

    @Awesome X: E. "I'll have to call you right back - I have someone on the other line". Then make sure to check caller ID and not answer.
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    06/14/09

    In reply to 'Very Short List's Been Sold To Jared Kushner, We're All Fired.'
    The Observer buying VSL is like Governor Patterson hiring Sarah Palin to improve his ratings.


    When you've chosen to buy not just one, but two money-losing businesses, well - I guess I shall just stand awe-struck at Jared Kushner's incisive business acumen.

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    Image of resipsaloquacious resipsaloquacious
    06/14/09

    In reply to 'Very Short List's Been Sold To Jared Kushner, We're All Fired.'
    Despite not providing any of the deal terms, Gawker has been adamant about Kushner being worked over by Diller. How does Gawker know this? How much did Kushner pay?


    Come on, let's get some facts.

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    Image of Foster Kamer Foster Kamer
    06/14/09

    @resipsaloquacious: Unless Diller paid Kushner to take it, I'm pretty sure he got rolled.
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    Image of resipsaloquacious resipsaloquacious
    06/14/09

    @Foster Kamer:


    Maybe the money paid was a negligible amount that Diller accepted to save (some) face? Even if the email list is only 20,000 or so (rather than the 200,000 or whatever VSL alleged it to be) very well off people, that is still a valuable item worth some amount of cash.


    I guess it is easy to assume given Kushern's recent ill advised business moves (i.e., purchasing the Observer and over-priced real estate) that he got the shaft in this case too.

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    Image of Nick Denton Nick Denton
    06/15/09

    @resipsaloquacious: The only reason to assume Kushner was rolled is IAC's sketchiness on the open rate. If the Observer negotiators saw through that, then I'd assume they got VSL for almost nothing. Otherwise, who knows?
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    Image of mangopickle mangopickle
    06/14/09

    In reply to 'Very Short List's Been Sold To Jared Kushner, We're All Fired.'
    The best piece of reporting here is the excellent use of emoticons. Well done!
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    Image of SuzyPaulaPasena SuzyPaulaPasena
    06/14/09

    @mangopickle: Here, here! I think reporters should start using assicons too, don't you? You know (_x_) which I think may be kiss my ass (or no ass for you tonight, I'm not sure), but deftly inserted into an article, you can avoid saying something crass yet get your point across....hmmm, this could work.
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    Image of raincoaster raincoaster
    06/15/09

    @SuzyPaulaPasena: I tried using (!) once but it got censored.
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    Image of Baroness Baroness
    06/14/09

    In reply to 'Very Short List's Been Sold To Jared Kushner, We're All Fired.'
    E-mail newsletters.. sound very 1999. I realize Candy did very well, but so did those crooks hassling you about your auto warranty expiring on your mobile, apparently.


    Beating a dead horse, but Kushner's Observer is so dull. What was once a sprightly, witty broadsheet seems more like Elderly Mensch Real-Estate Weekly. I can't even find my Simon Doonan on that mess of a website anymore. Whatever Kushner paid for VSL is probably too much- and firing the staff, well what exactly is he buying, then? E-mail addresses? Pretty nonglamorous, but young Kushner doesn't seem a particularly imaginitive publisher anyway.

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    Image of uncle_wiggly uncle_wiggly
    06/14/09

    In reply to 'Very Short List's Been Sold To Jared Kushner, We're All Fired.'
    I don't understand what Kushner purchased. Since the staff is fired it sounds like he bought a list of e-mail addresses. I've never heard of Very Short List, but maybe I'm only high minded enough for gawker and was left off of the list. I don't need book recommendations anyway as I'm too busy looking at the internet to read books anymore.
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    Image of raincoaster raincoaster
    06/15/09

    @uncle_wiggly: email addresses may be the greatest natural resource in the USA.
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    Image of Nic Fit Nic Fit
    06/12/09

    In reply to The Very Long Con of a Very Short List
    God, certain ppl have milked that Spy Magazine shit for ages now.
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    Image of The Cajun Boy The Cajun Boy
    06/11/09

    In reply to The Very Long Con of a Very Short List
    I subscribed to VSL about a year ago and opened it maybe a half dozen times in the first couple of weeks and then never again. Unless you only use the internet for email, it's sort of worthless.
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    Image of CarnegieHill CarnegieHill
    06/11/09

    In reply to The Very Long Con of a Very Short List
    Patronmail.com is the prestige arts/culture mailer.


    If you look at the benchmark stats of all its clients, the average open rate is 20.92%.


    If VSL really has "only" an open rate of 40%, Kurt Andersen should be the highest-paid e-mail marketing consultant in history.


    Why isn't he?

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    Image of raincoaster raincoaster
    06/12/09

    @CarnegieHill: I heard from a good source two days ago that Daily Candy has an open rate of 40%.
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    Image of shostakobitch shostakobitch
    06/11/09

    In reply to The Very Long Con of a Very Short List
    Barry Diller looks like a piece of poop.
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    Image of rhys1882 rhys1882
    06/11/09

    In reply to The Very Long Con of a Very Short List
    You say a source says only 40% of subscribers open a mailing but then you say the "open rate" is only a fifth of readers. Which is it?
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    Image of Ryan Tate Ryan Tate
    06/11/09

    @rhys1882: Ack, 40,000 readers, one fifth of mailing. 40 percent was an error. Thanks.
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    Image of m1keh0gan m1keh0gan
    06/11/09

    In reply to The Very Long Con of a Very Short List
    Which is it, guys? 40 percent or one fifth?
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    Image of narnio narnio
    06/11/09

    @CoachHogan: also, put this in context please: what are other open rates among it's "lower brow" competitors? average open rates for newsletters?


    also, i believe you meant "high brow" not "highbrown."

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    Image of Ryan Tate Ryan Tate
    06/11/09

    @CoachHogan: I meant to write 40,000, aka one fifth. "40 percent" was an error. thanks for the heads up.
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    06/11/09

    @narnio: That error is somehow worse ;-> thx
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    Image of raincoaster raincoaster
    06/12/09

    @narnio: The open rates among its competitors are more like 40%, actually. A really effective newsletter will get 60%.
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    Image of narnio narnio
    06/12/09

    @raincoaster: I was actually playing a bit coy there... I just wanted some more information about its competitors. As far as I know, the internet average hovers between fifteen and twenty percent, but these premium newsletters with sweepstakes, sales, giveaways or just really great editorial can broach the 40-50% line. If someone's getting 60%, I'd assume they're subscriber base is less than 10k, or they're lying.


    RAINCOASTER IS STILL ALIVE. ITS LIKE 3 YEARS AGO UP IN HERE!

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