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    Image of DoctorEcks DoctorEcks
    06/30/09

    In reply to Wait, Did Geraldo Just Ask the Fox News Audience to Kill a Child Molester?
    Now comes my favorite part of Gawker. The Talkback. The time where people go out on a limb and support murdering child molesters and rape in prison. Nice to see society's ills addressed so cleverly. Ahh... does everyone feel better now? Good. I'm still having a bit of uneasiness over the fact that this is the state of "news' in the twenty-first century. Fuck the lack of flying cars. I'd like a five minute respite from all the vulgarity.
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    06/30/09

    In reply to Wait, Did Geraldo Just Ask the Fox News Audience to Kill a Child Molester?
    Gee. Walter Cronkite really IS on his deathbed.
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    Image of ArtfulSlinger ArtfulSlinger
    06/30/09

    In reply to Wait, Did Geraldo Just Ask the Fox News Audience to Kill a Child Molester?
    Its difficult because I honestly have no issue with people killing pedophiles and rapists. And if there was a way that people who were simply writing the wrongs of these men and women by murdering them and it was that simple, Id have no problem.


    But to watch two newsmen and journalists on primetime television equate murdering an innocent doctor in cold blood in church and murdering a serial child rapist is beyond wrong. Because what it does is it equaes these two crimes, which I cant agree with. It also gives the dumbest minority of people in America - those who support O'Reilly and his elk - a moral ground for murder. Again, if moms and dads would seek retribution in murdering their child abusers - no issues. But I know its not that simple and this language is icky on multiple levels.

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    Image of CHIC NOIR CHIC NOIR
    06/30/09

    In reply to Wait, Did Geraldo Just Ask the Fox News Audience to Kill a Child Molester?
    This isn't something for me to be angry about. I'm angry that Earl was only given one year when he should serve nothing less than 20 years without parole.
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    06/30/09

    @CHIC NOIR: The one thing - ONE THING - I agree with O'Reilly on is his stance on child abusers. After all those murder cases popped up in the mid 2000's, I actually found myself agreeing with him and what he would do if he had stake in the justice system. Problem is the laws are not on the children's side AT ALL! America is responsible for the majority of child porn - the creation and exporting of it - we lead in child trafficking. Not a third world country, AMERICA. I would prefer all of out legislators to get in their and fix this beyond broken system, but they are just getting acquainted with the internet and how it has made this disgusting act so freaking easy to perpetrate and make money off of.
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    06/30/09

    @ArtfulSlinger: Ugh child porn is apparently messing up my spelling.
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    Image of rocknrollunicorn rocknrollunicorn
    06/30/09

    In reply to Wait, Did Geraldo Just Ask the Fox News Audience to Kill a Child Molester?
    In all seriousness, the really disgusting part here is that they've set up this good FoxNews dude/bad FoxNews dude scenario solely so that Bill O'Reilly can "redeem" himself from the whole Tiller debacle. It's sick and not very well veiled.


    One thing I know is that O'Reilly is never the good guy; if he's coming off that way, something's rotten.

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    06/30/09

    @rocknrollunicorn: Or, to redeem himself in some eyes, while smarmily winking and jabbing you in the ribs if you were FOR Tiller's death. VOMIT.
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    Image of Jack_Burton Jack_Burton
    06/30/09

    In reply to Wait, Did Geraldo Just Ask the Fox News Audience to Kill a Child Molester?
    How utterly charming. God forbid they should discover Twitter and encourage "flash lynchings."


    If you are not in the courtroom, you do not have a place in judging someone else's guilt.


    Don't agree? work to change the law, or move somewhere that still believes in mob justice.

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    Image of rocknrollunicorn rocknrollunicorn
    06/30/09

    In reply to Wait, Did Geraldo Just Ask the Fox News Audience to Kill a Child Molester?
    Well this is overall super, super classy, I think the classiest moment is when Geraldo says, "You're referencing Tiller, the babyk-"
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    06/30/09

    @rocknrollunicorn: Crap. Well = While. duh.
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    Image of ChillbearLatrigue ChillbearLatrigue
    06/30/09

    In reply to Wait, Did Geraldo Just Ask the Fox News Audience to Kill a Child Molester?
    "These men actually want people to die." Yes, but to be more accurate they want a specific person to die. I would prefer that to his getting out of jail in a year (usually it's about four months with gain time), and molesting another little kid.


    Although the studies on recidivism are somewhat varied, the one thing that we do know is that he was convicted of child molestation. Its not really crime after which I want to grant a do-over.


    I know that there are many in here that don't believe in Capital Punishment under any circumstances, but I am not one of those. I would like to see Capital Punishment instituted for child rapists. I don't think it would deter many of these people from doing it, but it would certainly stop the ones that were executed from doing it again.


    With this particular crime, it does make a difference whether the person does it once or a hundred times throughout their life. Child molesters are wired the same way as serial killers in that they have no mechanism to overcome their compulsion to repeat the crime.


    So, I guess you can put me in the Geraldo camp on this one. I am not a vigilante and I don't condone it, but I won't feel bad if this guy meets his end with street justice.

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    Image of Mama Penguino Mama Penguino
    06/30/09

    @ChillbearLatrigue: Testify, Chillbear.
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    06/30/09

    @ChillbearLatrigue: the death penalty is simply TOO EXPENSIVE. the appeals, special treatment, death row, etc... the costs all add up and therefore no one should be killed. Forced hard labor camps, on the other hand, for non-parollable sexual offenders/murderers? I'm all for it!
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    Image of ChillbearLatrigue ChillbearLatrigue
    06/30/09

    @hypocriteoath: Yeah. The appeals process is the bid downfall. They are necessary because of the whole inability to reverse a murder thing, but incarceration always leaves a few outs. Gain time, states evidence and escape are the big downfalls.
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    Image of momof3wildkids momof3wildkids
    06/30/09

    @hypocriteoath: You have got that right! I think the death penalty is too easy for this crowd of villains. A long, miserable hard labor camp for the rest of their natural lives is preferable to me.


    But first, I would like to kick the offender's teeth out and maybe use a blunt instrument to extract his testicles out.

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    Image of Richard Lawson Richard Lawson
    06/30/09

    @ChillbearLatrigue: That's a slippery slope you're walking on.
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    06/30/09

    @momof3wildkids: A long, miserable hard labor camp for the rest of their natural lives is preferable to me.


    But first, I would like to kick the offender's teeth out and maybe use a blunt instrument to extract his testicles out.


    Eesh, I hate sentiments like this. Look, raping a four year old is a terrible, terrible thing to do. No argument about that. But as Chill says above, pedophilia is a compulsion that people did not ask for, nor are they, for the most part, able to control it. The failure here is that this man wasn't somehow identified previously and attended to by the state.


    Pedophilia is a disease of the mind like any other. While these sad men and women should be kept away from the general populace, wishing a "long, miserable...rest of their natural lives" on someone who is severely mentally ill is reductive and primitive. These people need our help, not our perpetuation of a terrible cycle of violence.

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    06/30/09

    @Richard Lawson: I understand where you are coming from Richard. I also know that if my children were molested that something in me would probably snap. I do not want them to die and I have little confidence of rehabilitation.


    Prisons are pretty much a punishment-oriented consequence of being found guilty of a crime. I have seen scant evidence that prisons are trying to really rehab their prisoners.


    You have a fine argument that they are mentally ill; but if that is truly the case, shouldn't they be in a mental institution?

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    Image of Richard Lawson Richard Lawson
    06/30/09

    @momof3wildkids: Absolutely they should be in a mental institution. That they're not is a product of an American legal system that prefers base punishment to correction-based institutionalization.


    Case in point: Jeffrey Dahmer was found by the state to be legally 'sane.' Because, I guess, killing and eating 17 young men is the height of sanity.

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    Image of momof3wildkids momof3wildkids
    06/30/09

    @Richard Lawson: If they could be locked up for life in the institution, I probably could live with that.


    Your Dahmer point is interesting to me as I am from the Midwest and vividly remember the news on these crimes. Could Dahmer just have been truly evil and not insane?

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    Image of Richard Lawson Richard Lawson
    06/30/09

    @momof3wildkids: Well, no, I think he was insane. Calling people 'evil' always seemed a bit dismissive to me. I don't think anyone is evil. Some are just way more fucked up in the ol' head bone than everyone else.
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    Image of Mama Penguino Mama Penguino
    06/30/09

    @Richard Lawson: The legal definition of sanity (the M'Naughton Rule) is simply the determination that the individual knew the difference between right and wrong when he committed the crime. The definition of insanity as used by the mental health community -- and the rest of the world, really -- has nothing to do with this. It's confusing.
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    Image of Richard Lawson Richard Lawson
    06/30/09

    @Mama Penguino: Well, the legal definition is the problem when it comes to matters of incarceration and institutionalization.
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    Image of Mama Penguino Mama Penguino
    06/30/09

    @Richard Lawson: Perhaps they ought to change it from "he pled insanity" to "he pled stupidity?" It's all a matter of assigning responsibility. If a defendant successfully pleads insanity, then we're to believe that he didn't know that his actions were wrong. I don't know that the legal definition is so much the problem as the terminology is confusing.
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    06/30/09

    @Richard Lawson: OMFG. Really? Really?


    How about we encourage some ass with a paedophilic predeliction do a little introspection and *get himself some help* rather than sitting around suggesting the government just didn't get to him on time, isn't it a crying shame, but oh, well.


    Have you spent much time around a 4-year-old? I mean, like a lot of time. There is nothing like the innocence at that age. No grown human being, no matter how damaged or chemically deficient, gets a pass on violating that.


    I value human life, but if someone is and will be dangerous to innocent babes in this way, then I don't put that person in the same category as most of the rest of humankind. Yes, I can comfortably say I think that child is worth more than that paedophile. Why are we afraid of just accepting that there's the possibility of a lost cause? Or at least that it's not either a) within our earthly power to fix that or b) necessary


    Some things are despicable acts. Period. Some people don't deserve the opportunity for earthly redemption. Sometimes the damage done is greater than can ever be repaid.


    Funny, in my "real" life I'm known as a perpetual optimist about people's ability to redeem, but at some point you just have to cut that cord. Frankly, I'd rather lose a paedophile than a four-year-old.

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    Image of missdelite missdelite
    06/30/09

    @no I said no I won't no: Abso-fucking-lutely.


    Also, let's give society a giant "F" for letting down its children - from foster care abuse to child poverty to this.


    They're our most vulnerable members and we let them down big time.


    Shame on us all.

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    Image of deva14 deva14
    06/30/09

    @missdelite: I'm amazed, in all the talk of sanity vs insanity and the costs of executions, that no one is bringing up what has always, to me, been the most obvious knock against the death penalty, whether meted out by vigilantes or the state: People screw up. I grew up watching a string of convicted murderers/rapists be released from Canadian prisons after 10, 15, 20 years imprisoned for *crimes they did not commit*. The justice system is hugely fallible. Sometimes it's a matter of error or faulty science, sometimes a matter of malice or desperation on the part of officials seeking a conviction for a high-profile crime, but the end result is the same. If Canada had the death penalty, all those men would likely be dead.
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    Image of Pope John Peeps II Pope John Peeps II
    06/30/09

    @deva14: Uh. Who was this exactly? I don't recall anyone being let out of prison lately because they were innocent. Truscott was let out of prison, but because he served his time.
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    Image of CaptainFantastic CaptainFantastic
    06/30/09

    In reply to Wait, Did Geraldo Just Ask the Fox News Audience to Kill a Child Molester?
    If the victim were my kid, I'd have to move far, far away before the perp was released from prison. Otherwise, I'd need to be physically restrained from kicking in the perp's teeth (or at least trying) on a daily basis.
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    Image of BookishLookish BookishLookish
    06/30/09

    @CaptainFantastic: I'll admit it: If it were my child, I would have hired a hit on him before he left the county jail. I'm not proud of that, but there it is.
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    Image of Mama Penguino Mama Penguino
    06/30/09

    @BookishLookish: Me, too. Except Mr. P would have already taken care of the issue before the guy had a chance to be jailed.
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    06/30/09

    @Mama Penguino: That's the difference between Jersey Jews and Kansas Jews, I guess. Where I'm from you get some stealthy motherfucker named Vinnie to do your dirt, and down there where you're from you just lock and load.


    Also: gun laws, etc.

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    Image of Mama Penguino Mama Penguino
    06/30/09

    @BookishLookish: Absolutely. Mr. P is always talking about catfish holes deep in the Kansas River from where a body might not surface for months, if ever.
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    Image of momof3wildkids momof3wildkids
    06/30/09

    @Mama Penguino: While I would want this man to suffer for eternity in a miserable prison, I am quite confident that Mr Momof3 would eviscerate him the second he was out on bond. There would be no trial, except that of my husband's.
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    Image of Mama Penguino Mama Penguino
    06/30/09

    @momof3wildkids: In other words, you don't support the death penalty unless Dadof3 gets to deliver the killing blow? I'm down with that.
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    Image of batsheva batsheva
    06/30/09

    In reply to Wait, Did Geraldo Just Ask the Fox News Audience to Kill a Child Molester?
    I don't understand how you're getting "these men actually want people to die" from statements like


    "That would be as morally wrong as what Earls did-to take Earls' life. You can't do that."


    WTF? I might be missing something, but it seems he's equating vigilantism with something that he unequivocally believes to be morally despicable, which makes this analysis make sense if the words "do not" are inserted.

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    06/30/09

    @batsheva: If you actually have to ponder, out loud, on television, whether or not it would be morally acceptable to extrajudicially assassinate somebody, you've made your preference clear irrespective of the final position you take.


    And it's obvious that Rivera wants the man to die.

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    Image of Wrapitup Wrapitup
    06/30/09

    In reply to Wait, Did Geraldo Just Ask the Fox News Audience to Kill a Child Molester?
    Billo is a confusing man. If he despises child molesters so much, what's with all the contempt he spewed at that poor kid who was abducted and imprisoned at a crazy child molester's house? As I recall, O'Reilly didn't spend much time frothing at the mouth over the evil child molester. Most of his venom was directed at the young kid for not being manly enough to execute a daring escape. So what's with the role reversal and empathy for all God's children?
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    Image of victoriasauce victoriasauce
    06/30/09

    In reply to Wait, Did Geraldo Just Ask the Fox News Audience to Kill a Child Molester?
    Obviously, promoting murder isn't okay, but let's not compare this to Tiller. He was a doctor that performed a legal procedure and what O'Reilly did to him was just plain evil.


    David Earls raped a FOUR year old and is serving one year in prison. I wouldn't exactly cry a river either.

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    Image of Mama Penguino Mama Penguino
    06/30/09

    @victoriasauce: Just this morning I sat on the sofa and looked at Mr. Penguino and said, "I wouldn't feel too badly about the death penalty for child rapists." He concurred. Hasn't anyone seen A Time to Kill? Why all the bluster about this? I hate O'Reilly and Geraldo as much as the next thinking person, but this is one issue where we have a meeting of the minds (so to speak).
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    Image of Scooter34 Scooter34
    06/30/09

    @Mama Penguino: One simple reason. If you make child rape a mandatory death crime, you encourage child rapists to kill their victims in order to reduce the risk.
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    Image of allyzay allyzay
    06/30/09

    @Scooter34: no, you don't? there is nothing about that that makes sense from a psychological or a legal point of view.
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    Image of Mama Penguino Mama Penguino
    06/30/09

    @Scooter34: I think we can safely determine that people who commit crimes aren't considering the penalty phase of their trial while committing aforementioned crime.
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    Image of momof3wildkids momof3wildkids
    06/30/09

    @Mama Penguino: I have to disagree with you on this one. The death penalty doesn't work and is quite expensive with the mandatory appeals process. Lock them up forever. No chance of parole. Throw away the key. It will make them miserable and it is cheaper in the long run.


    But then again, I'm not for the death penalty.

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    06/30/09

    @momof3wildkids: I'm not a supporter of the death penalty, either, but in order to address your comments, I'll go a step further with my suggestion. Yes, death penalty cases are way too expensive. I propose a trial, and if found guilty, one appeal. If the rapist loses the appeal, as well, a truck comes to fetch him/her from the courthouse and drives him/her directly to the prison where he/she receives her fatal dose of whatever.
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    06/30/09

    In reply to Wait, Did Geraldo Just Ask the Fox News Audience to Kill a Child Molester?
    I just had that same exact conversation, except it was about Geraldo and O'Reilly.
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    Image of DoctorEcks DoctorEcks
    06/30/09

    @Housebroken(mostly):

    Excellent!
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    Image of Calraigh Calraigh
    06/30/09

    In reply to Wait, Did Geraldo Just Ask the Fox News Audience to Kill a Child Molester?
    Has anyone ever seen the lower half of O'Reilly's body? Can we be absolutely sure he isn't cloven hoofed and be-tailed?

    John Cook, your next mission.
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    Image of DennyCrane DennyCrane
    06/30/09

    @Calraigh: I like to think he's sort of like Krang from Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles.
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    Image of John Cook John Cook
    06/30/09

    @Calraigh: So you're asking me to take Bill O'Reilly's pants off?
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    06/30/09

    @Calraigh: You know, I think I am. I know you can do it Cook. You're a foxy devil and I'd imagine if you just prepare some flowery, erotic prose and recite it in his general direction, he'll be prostrate.I know I would!?*

    Get to it.


    *Too much?

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    06/30/09

    In reply to Wait, Did Geraldo Just Ask the Fox News Audience to Kill a Child Molester?
    Well, they have a platform and all, but wanting a horrible child-rapist to be killed is not exactly crazytown or beyond the pale.


    Posters on here have fantasized about various offenders being raped in prison, castrated, etc.


    Sympathy ran very very high for the woman (I can't recall her name) who shot her child's rapist in court. Let's not be hypocrites.

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    06/30/09

    @nellicat: getting raped or killed in prison is a risk you run in prison. It's not like we're writing to inmates saying. "you know... i wouldn't cry myself to sleep if inmate 155436 was stabbed in the shower" and a woman killing someone who raped her daughter is different than someone who's randomly pissed off who just goes out and shoots someone.


    wishing someone's death is bad all the way around but going on a TV show after Tillers murder and basically asking people to kill someone is different.

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    06/30/09

    @KentuckyBabe: Prison rape is not inevitable. There are prisons that have managed to eradicate it completely. On the other hand, there are some prisons that have high rape rates. The prevailing hypothesis is that some prisons condone it implicitly. They use it as a supplementary punishment to keep people in line.
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