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    Эй, вы можете прочитать запрещенную статью GQ про Путина здесь (Part 2)

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    Image of skymotel skymotel
    09/05/09

    In reply to Эй, вы можете прочитать запрещенную статью GQ про Путина здесь
    Nary a comment in Russian. Sigh.
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    Image of i'm a bottle i'm a bottle
    09/05/09

    In reply to Эй, вы можете прочитать запрещенную статью GQ про Путина здесь
    The Russian government is totally corrupt! I looked into the story a bit (there's also a Wikipedia article that gives a detailed rundown). There's an interesting tidbit in the Independent

    In an article that appeared in the Independent on Jan. 29, 2000, there was a reference to the Swedish daily, Svenska Dagbladet, making an admission on June 6th of 1999, that is, more than four months before the apartment bombings began, that high-ranking members of the Russian government were already discussing the option of framing Chechen terrorists for bombings in Moscow:

    In an unnoticed reference in Svenska Dagbladet, the Swedish daily, on 6 June last year, the paper's Moscow correspondent Jan Blomgren wrote that one option being considered by the Kremlin and its associates was "terror bombings in Moscow which could be blamed on the Chechens". This was four months before the first bomb. Mr Blomgren told the Independent that his sources, whom he cannot name, were familiar with discussions within the political elite.
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    Image of Jasper Reardon Jasper Reardon
    09/04/09

    In reply to Эй, вы можете прочитать запрещенную статью GQ про Путина здесь
    So, I think the motivation here is admirable, and it's an optimum use of the Web's more salient qualities—copyright issues aside, of which there are many. While I think Condé's likely motivation is commercial, given how fast and loose retaliation against journalists in Russia has been—and it's probably not just state-tolerated but at times state-initiated—might there be a possibility that Condé is protecting the staff and writers of their Russian titles? In which case, it would certainly be their prerogative, and a little presumptuous of you guys to subvert it without knowing one way or the other. Like I said, not the likely motive, but worth thinking about while you're busy banging the "Democracy in Russia" drum (which it hilarious, by the way).
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    Edited by Jasper Reardon at 09/04/09 6:24 PM Jasper Reardon was starred Jasper Reardon was unstarred
    Image of Gabriel Snyder Gabriel Snyder
    09/04/09

    @Jasper Reardon: Even if you put Condé Nast's actions in the most favorable light, as you do, it doesn't explain why they not only sought to keep the story out of Russia but also sought to bury it in the U.S.

    Among the many disheartening things in David Folkenflik's report was his line about how GQ publicists -- the American ones -- were told not to promote the story, making it "an act of quiet defiance" when Scott Anderson's editors contacted NPR.

    It says something awful for the magazine business that the Condé lawyers were pretty confident that no one would notice an article if it were merely printed in one of their flagship titles.
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    Edited by Gabriel Snyder at 09/04/09 8:33 PM Gabriel Snyder was starred Gabriel Snyder was unstarred
    Image of Jasper Reardon Jasper Reardon
    09/05/09

    @Gabriel Snyder: I didn't put their actions in the most favorable light...but okay, I'll bite. You're right, it's not what one would hope for, in terms of a compelling story in an anchor issue (which by the way has at least two other great stories—the Sullivan and the Saunders). But, as mentioned below, Vanity Fair ran a story about similar subject matter previously and didn't try to bury it. I guess I just wonder why this would be the occasion that Condé would try to fly this one under the radar when they have stood behind many more "dangerous" stories, like Sy Hersh's of the last few years, and many others I can think of. I'm not trying to get behind Condé here...I'm just wondering if there isn't more to it? Honestly, if you think of the stories they've run, why do you think this is the one they're trying to mute? Honest inquiry. I'm wondering what you think. I'm not sure myself.
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    Image of MoscowNeverSleeps MoscowNeverSleeps
    09/04/09

    In reply to Эй, вы можете прочитать запрещенную статью GQ про Путина здесь
    While I applaud the translation effort, that's not the main point of the Conde Nast campaign against this story. Most Russian versions of Western magazines (GQ, Esquire, Vogue, Cosmo etc) don't carry translations of the original US work but unique content instead. So the lawyer was seeking to ban distribution of the US version here. Just as insidious, and the translation idea is great, but thought I'd point it out.
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    Image of Jasper Reardon Jasper Reardon
    09/05/09

    @MoscowNeverSleeps: This is probably closer to the real reason for the prohibition. Maybe not exactly, but closer. But whatever, Gawker is making the world free for serious journalism (written for and published by other publications).
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    Image of i'm a bottle i'm a bottle
    09/05/09

    @MoscowNeverSleeps: I agree, Condé never wanted to publish it in Russia. There's already scads of articles about it in more prestigious publications that are better researched and make a better case.

    It merely wanted to keep things quiet that it published an article implicating Putin in a conspiracy that resulted in mass murder from Russian business and governmental leaders.

    In any case, the bigger the controversy, the better the chances that people abroad -- and most certainly, the Russian diaspora -- will look at this strange episode again.
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    Image of keram2 keram2
    09/04/09

    In reply to Эй, вы можете прочитать запрещенную статью GQ про Путина здесь
    I wish someone would translate this article into Republicanese so that the Tea Baggers would know what real despotism is.
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    Image of PaisleyPajamas PaisleyPajamas
    09/04/09

    In reply to Эй, вы можете прочитать запрещенную статью GQ про Путина здесь
    "...and at length implicating Russia's shadow leader in a string of Moscow apartment bombings that killed hundreds in 1999 and were officially blamed on Chechen terrorists. The wave of fear created by the attacks played a critical role in launching Putin to power."

    This sounds scarily familiar here in the west.
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    Image of Jezedude Jezedude
    09/04/09

    In reply to Эй, вы можете прочитать запрещенную статью GQ про Путина здесь
    tomorrow's news: Gazprom acquires controlling shares of Gawker Media.
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    Image of snugbug snugbug
    09/04/09

    @Jezedude: Pretty sure they're not a publicly traded company, so more like Alexander Lebedev orchestrates a "friendly" takeover.. Oh, balls, I take it back. Why mess with such a thing of beauty as your comment?
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    Image of LoveHandles LoveHandles
    09/04/09

    In reply to Эй, вы можете прочитать запрещенную статью GQ про Путина здесь
    Doesn't it stand to reason that by doing this, large corporations will be less likely to sponsor hard-hitting journalism in the future? Not saying the Russian people don't have the right to read this, just think it's something to be considered.
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    Image of Niko Bellic Niko Bellic
    09/04/09

    @LoveHandles: Great. So, instead of us using the internet to promote democracy for Russia, we should let Putin use it to extend his dictatorship to us, because - all we care about is making a buck, and he has a whole bunch of them.

    Something to be considered, indeed.
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    Edited by Niko Bellic at 09/04/09 3:08 PM Niko Bellic was starred Niko Bellic was unstarred
    Image of LoveHandles LoveHandles
    09/04/09

    @Niko Bellic: Yes, but journalism such as this is exactly what promotes democracy. Whether you like it or not, it took a lot of money to give this well-respected journalist the time and resources to investigate and report this story. Without Conde Naste, the story wouldn't exist in the first place. Smaller pub's just don't have the money to spend on this. It's a conundrum, to be sure. One that would be resolved if Conde Naste voluntarily distributed the article the way it should be, yes, but nevertheless, if this turns into a ballyhoo, than they're certainly going to think twice before sponsoring more articles that may interfere with their corporate interests.
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    Image of Niko Bellic Niko Bellic
    09/04/09

    @LoveHandles: Without Conde Naste, the story wouldn't exist in the first place. Smaller pub's just don't have the money to spend on this

    So, in your world, the only kind of journalist outfits are big corporations and small corporations? Let me guess: "your world" is United States of America (everything else being "the national socialists").
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    Edited by Niko Bellic at 09/04/09 4:41 PM Niko Bellic was starred Niko Bellic was unstarred
    Image of Niko Bellic Niko Bellic
    09/04/09

    In reply to Эй, вы можете прочитать запрещенную статью GQ про Путина здесь
    So, what's the difference between the capitalism and the communism again? Which one censors the free press? I forget.
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    Edited by Niko Bellic at 09/04/09 2:09 PM Niko Bellic was starred Niko Bellic was unstarred
    Image of Pope John Peeps II Pope John Peeps II
    09/04/09

    @Niko Bellic: Well... This is actually the Free Market censoring itself. I don't really know what Government has to do with any of this.
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    Image of Niko Bellic Niko Bellic
    09/04/09

    @Pope John Peeps II: It's not "censoring itself", it's censoring (or denying access to information to) us!

    "Us" in this case may be the Russian people, but you know it often works like that here too.
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    Edited by Niko Bellic at 09/04/09 3:54 PM Niko Bellic was starred Niko Bellic was unstarred
    Image of Pope John Peeps II Pope John Peeps II
    09/04/09

    @Niko Bellic: Grammatically the thing that is censored is the subject speaking the information, not the people.
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    Image of Magister Magister
    09/04/09

    In reply to Эй, вы можете прочитать запрещенную статью GQ про Путина здесь
    From my own personal experience, I've found that if I tag a post "sex" and submit it to Technorati during the evening hours, I generally get several visitors from Russia (along with quite a few from US military bases).
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    Edited by Magister at 09/04/09 1:51 PM Magister was starred Magister was unstarred
    Image of batavia batavia
    09/04/09

    In reply to Эй, вы можете прочитать запрещенную статью GQ про Путина здесь
    Worth nothing the chilling effect the Condé Nast cooperation with Russian censorship has even in the west. Surely this article would be available online otherwise and receive some decent promotion. After all GQ hangs whatever reputation it has as a "serious" magazine on these sorts of pieces.

    Putin/Condé Nast is not only censoring in Russia, but also dampening the impact of the piece globally.

    Who won the Cold War anyhow?
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    Image of Matt Cherette Matt Cherette
    09/04/09

    In reply to Эй, вы можете прочитать запрещенную статью GQ про Путина здесь
    I have a friend that speaks Russian fluently, but is unfortunately illiterate. She said she'd be willing to send it to her parents, "but that means [she'd] have to type out the translations for them because they type 10 WPM."

    Not sure if you're that desperate at this point; that said, if you don't find anyone soon and you're willing to wait it out a bit, I can see if she'd still be willing to assist.
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    Image of karion karion
    09/04/09

    In reply to Эй, вы можете прочитать запрещенную статью GQ про Путина здесь
    With the right apology in place, I am thinking you might just know a young writer with the connections to help out.

    Hello, feminism?
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    Image of Pope John Peeps II Pope John Peeps II
    09/04/09

    @karion: Femiladyism? Man, that takes me back to the heady days of 2004. Did she speak Russian?
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    Image of DorothyMantooth DorothyMantooth
    09/04/09

    @Pope John Peeps II: She means Gessen. "Connections." Getit?
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    Image of Pope John Peeps II Pope John Peeps II
    09/04/09

    @DorothyMantooth: Yeah, but what does he have to do with feminism then?
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    Image of Unsolicited Advice Unsolicited Advice
    09/04/09

    In reply to Эй, вы можете прочитать запрещенную статью GQ про Путина здесь
    Quick ethics thing: do I buy the mag for the article, which seems fascinating, or do I skip it because Conde Nast cowed to fascists?
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    Image of DennyCrane DennyCrane
    09/04/09

    @Unsolicited Advice: I'm just reading it here.
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    09/04/09

    In reply to Эй, вы можете прочитать запрещенную статью GQ про Путина здесь
    Awesomest Gawker post in recent memory.. Xорошеньких дел вы натворили!
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