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jeanbeeen
11/07/08

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I love that San Francisco U.S. Attorney Joseph Russoniello refers to women who work with a pimp as being a "stable".

And by "love" I mean "outraged".
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Pope John Peeps II
11/07/08

@jeanbeeen: That's actually been the long-used historical term, I think. So your outrage is perhaps a hundred years out of place.
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jeanbeeen
11/07/08

@Pope John Peeps II:

I'm pretty sure terms that de-humanize people, regardless of their historical use, should be off limits. Especially by government representatives in formal conversations with the press.
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BookishLatkeish
11/07/08

@jeanbeeen: Peeps calls his wife his "helpmeet," cut him a bit of slack, JB.
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collegecallgirl
11/07/08

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A lot of hos already moved to Casual Encounters when they started requiring the phone number. It's mostly agencies over in Erotic Services. The independent gals (like I was) just use transparently coded language or look for long-term benefactor type relationships, which are somehow different from prostitution because you might get pretty clothes in addition to cash for your rent.
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drunkexpatwriter
11/07/08

@collegecallgirl: Right. If a guy pays to film you having sex, it's legal. If a guy buys you presents in exchange for sex it's legal. If a guy pays you for sex it's against the law.

It's like Alice in Wonderland.
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Pope John Peeps II
11/07/08

@drunkexpatwriter: I don't think you read the official edition of Alice in Wonderland. Although I think I'd prefer your copy.
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collegecallgirl
11/07/08

@drunkexpatwriter: If a guy bankrolls my entire lifestyle in exchange for weekly arranged sex visits, LEGAL. I'm just his girlfriend!
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collegecallgirl
11/07/08

@Pope John Peeps II: In his version, Alice gets banged by the Mad Hatter and the March Hare while the Cheshire Cat watches invisibly from the trees.
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Beausoleil
11/07/08

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This is retarded.

Hookers are great, and Craigslist is a wonderful resources for GFE.
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drunkexpatwriter
11/07/08

@Beausoleil: But Craiglist will be much, much more fun now - because you'll never know if your "casual encounter" will ask you for money after you cum or not.
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QuarterlyProphet
11/07/08

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Craig is a terrible pimp.
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BookishLatkeish
11/07/08

@QuarterlyProphet: Yes, he needs to keep his hand a bit stronger. He got too big is the problem. Now the Mob wants to take over his bitches.
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drunkexpatwriter
11/07/08

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The really sad thing here is that the real health issue is the people who are giving it away for free in Casual Encounters. The call girls and boys at least insist that their clients wear condoms, while there's tons of people looking for lots of random unprotected sex that craigslist is doing nothing about.
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ADismalScience
11/07/08

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How does this target pimps? Are these idiots unfamiliar with the last few thousand years of human existence? Pimps are a distribution channel. Craigslist was a distribution channel. If you remove competing distribution channels you crowd the original, dangerous, drug-dealing, rapey one. It might scare the college kids that had an easy time making Craigslist into a kinder, gentler form of whoring themselves out, but it's not stopping the business.

I'm so sick of being lied to about "quality of life" legislation. This has nothing to do with reducing crime and everything to do with victimizing prostitutes, forcing them to become tools of the criminal justice system.
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Gosukusan
11/07/08

@ADismalScience:

But I thought this was about jobs for lawyers and police? It's a "make-work" program, isn't it?
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Unfun
11/07/08

@ADismalScience: Sometimes you are adorable.
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Botswana Meat Commission FC
11/07/08

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Keep on pissing into the wind, anti-prostitution people.

Ugh. Can we please just legalize brothels and move on to other more pressing issues, like the Obama family puppy?
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mustardpony
11/07/08

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WTF is GFE?
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drunkexpatwriter
11/07/08

@mustardpony: Girlfriend Experience.

It means that for extra money the girl will kiss you.
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mustardpony
11/07/08

@drunkexpatwriter: ohhhhhhh...thanks!
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drunkexpatwriter
11/08/08

@mustardpony: Maybe someone can petition Denton to hire me to do a post on what all the abbreviations in Craiglist sex ads stand for?
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Un Chien Andalou
11/07/08

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I love the banner ad placed in the middle of this . A new

work out by Candace Bushnell, author of "Sex in the City".

Nice product"placement" Gawker.
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drunkexpatwriter
11/07/08

@Un Chien Andalou: I think an ad for a book about Sarah Palin would have been even better.
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drunkexpatwriter
11/07/08

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I will say that what this will NOT do is push them out onto the streets. Street corner prostitutes have very little in common with craigslist girls and boys.

The on street sex workers are selling their wares for $25 to $75 a go. The Craigslist people are going for a minimum of $150 and, in general, a lot more than that.

What it could do is force them to start working the bars and cocktail lounges of tourist hotels and/or buy ads in the Village Voice.
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kitkatsplash
11/07/08

@drunkexpatwriter: Exactly. Whomever wrote that this will drive people to the streets is wrong. I worked with adolescents in foster care who I learned were regularly using craigslist for one shot deals. Sure, they could go to the piers and make $10 bucks + crack for blow job OR they could place an add on craigslist and make nothing short of $150.
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Gosukusan
11/07/08

@kitkatsplash:

Isn't there more competition on there now that all of the unemployed bankers are looking for a quick score?
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ADismalScience
11/07/08

@kitkatsplash:
Sure, they could go to the piers and make $10 bucks + crack for blow job OR they could place an add on craigslist and make nothing short of $150.

Okay, quick thought process.

If option #2 isn't available, will they still do option #1?
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drunkexpatwriter
11/07/08

@ADismalScience: No. They'll do it through livejournal or build their own websites or, most likely, just use casual encounters.
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collegecallgirl
11/07/08

@drunkexpatwriter: You're so smart. There's better ho-ing to be had in Casual Encounters anyway.
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La Cieca
11/07/08

@ADismalScience: For some sociological reason, there is virtually no overlap between streetwalkers and callgirls/boys, even when times are hard and usual venues are restricted. For example, if the city cracks down super hard on the street, the workers will more likely get on a bus and go work in another city instead of crossing over to "call" work. It seems bizarre, but that's just the way it seems to work.
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drunkexpatwriter
11/07/08

@collegecallgirl: Seriously, if I was a rent boy, I'd place all my ads in Casual Encounters just on the assumption that the cops might check out Erotic Services but wouldn't be smart enough to read between the lines of casual encounters ads.

I think I'm going to bitch about this in my Ask A Pornographer feature tomorrow. If you want to contribute a quote, let me know.

[www.stinque.com]
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collegecallgirl
11/07/08

@drunkexpatwriter: CE also appeals to a certain kind of guy. Most of the men on Craigslist don't want "professionals," they want a sweet, innocent college girl who has been driven to try this out for the VERY FIRST TIME by the cruel financial requirements of life.
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drunkexpatwriter
11/08/08

@collegecallgirl: That level of self-delusion on their part boggles my mind.

To be honest, If I'm paying $200 for a blow job I want to know the girl has got enough practice and experience to make it worth it.
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drunkexpatwriter
11/07/08

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All this will do is make them post in casual encounters and come up with even better euphemisms for what they do.

Get ready for a lot of girls who need "tuition assistance" and guys who "need financial help because their family threw them out for being gay."
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DevilsAvocado
11/07/08

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I won't share with you my mental image of their credit-card swipe machine.
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Weegee's bored
11/07/08

@DevilsAvocado: Ooooh. Lucky I was just going into the shower.
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♥AntiSocialSocialite♥
11/07/08

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they're just going to post in another section... i'm sure of it...

casual encounters?

missed connections?

barter?

yeeeaaa...
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Unfun
11/07/08

@BeccaThePromoMami: Exactly. Making it harder for those of us who use the LTR section to find our future husbands.

Stop laughing.
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♥AntiSocialSocialite♥
11/08/08

@Unfun: hehe... i always browse missed connections to see if anyone was checking me out lol

i post fake stuff there too... outlandish stuff... stuff that would NEVER happen. It's a hoot getting responses like, wow - did that really happen? I hope you find that person...

craigslist is where i live my secret life
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Peoplefamiliarwith
11/07/08

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Easy solution to all of the sex workers/pimps out there: pony up some cash and buy a VISA or AMEX gift-card at a large retailer, and use the gift-card to purchase ad-space on craigslist with discretion. You can charge your clients more to make up for the increased marketing expense, or accept slimmer margins.

If the dregs in Iran can continue to finance their pernicious behavior despite government obstruction, our girls (who are much smarter) should be able to finance their lasciviousness. USA!
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Vivien Smith-Smythe-Smith
11/07/08

@Peoplefamiliarwith: Devious! I like how you think!
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TheologicalSong
11/07/08

@Peoplefamiliarwith: yes, helpful suggestion, People. but it's about men's lasciviousness. in prostitutes' case, it's about lack of other opportunity. let's try not to paint this grueling, souldeadening work with too rosy a brush. let's have a little empathy. let's recognize pimps for the controlling, manipulative, often abusive men they are.
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Peoplefamiliarwith
11/07/08

@TheologicalSong: There are other immediate opportunities for girls in America who would be unhappy with this line of work: starbucks barista, waitress at hooters, Wal*Mart cashier, stewardess for Net-Jets, Vice-Presidential candidate.

I say cut out the pimps. Middle-men are a dying breed in the 21st century economy.
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Weegee's bored
11/07/08

@Peoplefamiliarwith: What's helpful in this regard is a lowering of hiring standards at Starbucks. At my local one, the new hires are all middle-aged women who might as well be pouring coffee at the diner. They yell at each othe across the room, cackle insufferably, and have boyfriends named Eddie who double park their pickup trucks while running in to flirt with Edna.
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