The NSA has a long history in advising to non-government security standards. Schneier's "Applied Cryptography" notes that several of the fundamental constants of the DES algorithm were contributed by the NSA; they were viewed with some suspicion until many years later, when it was discovered that they made the algorithm suspiciously resilient in the face of a cryptanalytic attack that was not publicly known at the time of the standard's creation.
apart from the privacy aspects - and I have no doubt the collaboration did not enhance privacy - why does the government cooperate with some companies and not others? Why does the NSA get to choose which ventures to provide its expertise to? This is just the powerful helping the powerful, on our dime and at our expense.
Based on the 'takes one to know one' principle, I reckon the NSA should have had some important insight on maintaining privacy. Maybe they also collaborated with Microsoft in planting a few 'backdoors' for national security purposes...
Um, guys, if we don't have important shit like red state/blue state, mac/windows, pepsi/coke, freebasing/crack to endlessly debate, we might, like, notice shit and shit. So...
I've always preferred Macs and, every five years when I replace mine, always been able to justify the premium with the intuitive nature of the operating system alone. I just don't choose to do Windows (or learn it). I know I'm good to go for the next five years with a few software updates. Companies that don't make apple software can suck my ass; so much for your products, douche.
I also like intuitive design. I know that PCs are in trouble when you have to sell them by promising young hipsters they'll be fondled by cops because their (red) PC is branded with some global charity boondoggle.
But, yeah, for this target market, this make sense, while at the same time, you know these are the same people who use their computers for videos, design, pics, etc., most and they would love to have something as intuitive to tie all that together like iLife. And I'm not persuaded otherwise by a midget Spielberg wannabe making bad animal planet homages for his parents to cringe through.
All that said, it's just a consumer preference. It doesn't mean anything.
Good thing she saved $300. She can use that next week to remove all the spyware and viruses she will get in the first three days. or she can use it to retrieve her data after her windows files are corrupted and won't start anymore.
Also a dumb troll if you ever get spyware or malware on a PC. With 10 minutes of effort and installing time, I've been totally virus free for about six years now.
@JesseJb: For what it's worth, I bought a PC laptop in October as well, from Best Buy no less, who offered to "optimize" my computer - take out adware, etc. - for $50. In other words, they acknowledge that the product they're selling me is so broken out of the box that you need to have it fixed when it's brand new. When I took it home and booted it for the first time, the respective bloatware installed by Microsoft, Sony and BestBuy all started simultaneously, and all figured that the other companies' software were viruses. I had to spend five minutes closing error messages.
But I found a guide online to wiping and reinstalling Vista on a new Vaio and spent a few hours doing it myself. Ever since then, it's run like a dream. I actually feel bad for the engineers at these companies: they seem to make good products, but the marketing people force them to install so much crap that they're hobbled from the get-go.
Sorry, but Microsoft is absolutely right, and smart to point all this out. Mac's are absurdly overpriced for what they are. Really you're mostly buying the Mac image, no different than a Hermes scarf or Birkin bag.
Are there clever things about a Mac that you don't get from a PC? Sure. But there are lots of clever things in a Bentley that you don't get in an Accord either. Sure, its not quite the same thing, but bottom line is that Mac is a luxury good and status symbol as much as anything else (and intentionally so), which is why I have a feeling that they're not going to be lowering prices anytime soon.
@Clarence Rosario: I have a Macbook Pro that my company provides me. I like it a lot. It's a great computer... top of the line. They also provide me with a new IBM Thinkpad. Which do I use every day? The Mac.
Now, if they weren't both provided to me free of charge, which would I choose? Well I'll tell you that my Mac retails for about $3800 as configured, and that Thinkpad tops out at like $900. Is the Mac better? Of course. Is it $2900 better? Would I spend my own dollars on it? Probably not... and I have money. To someone who doesn't, then I can't imagine how its even remotely justifiable. Microsoft is very smart to point this out.
@Almostbanned: Ask your office graphic designer the difference. Or, perhaps suggest they do the voodoo that they do sell well on a PC. You will see a resignation letter minutes later.
@feets_of_flan: I've never really understood why graphic designers still insist on having their precious Macs, when PCs load *the exact same* design software. I've always heard some vague thing about the screen being better. The fact is having all the designer on Macs creates networking nightmares. I always have to separately email files to the Mac princesses, because they "can't get to" that SharePoint location or something.
@uninspired: I know you're joking, and I sort of find it funny, but, generally, getting viruses are more a result of user incompetence/misuse than anything.
I'm just as incompetent and misuse-ry with my Mac as I was with my Dell, yet my Mac has crashed/hung three times in a year -- while with my Dell it became multiple times per day.
If what you said were true, that disparity wouldn't be so gigantic. There has to be at least one other very large contributing factor.
Macs are much better for people who are terrible with computers. They're easy to understand with big shiny fun interfaces and hard to break. They're also pretty good with design stuff from what I've seen, although that's not my field.
Unfortunately, they're also just inferior machines to a PC that runs Windows. Simply less powerful in almost every way.
So congratulations, you fit in with my grandmother. If I was going to get her a computer, it would be a Mac. Because it would be hard for her to screw up.
But the rest of us will use PCs and not get viruses because we aren't terrible with computers.
@DannyOcean: I have to ask -- what percentage of the population would you say fit your definition of "bad with computers"? I eventually identified my problem as a corrupted registry -- if I'm "bad with computers" because I stopped short of trying to fix a corrupted registry myself, then I suggest that about 90% of the computer-using population is "bad with computers" by your definition.
Unfortunately, they're also just inferior machines to a PC that runs Windows. Simply less powerful in almost every way.
I'll concede your point about power, but I challenge your definition of "inferior." Possibly my Dell was more powerful than my new Mac -- but a more "powerful" machine that crashes/hangs daily and requires hours of maintenance every week is absolutely not inferior to one that doesn't, in terms of what I consider the key metric: Work getting done.
My Dell's engine may have been made by Ferrari, but under real-world conditions it ran like a moped. I suggest that a Mac which simply manages to run like a Honda is going to win that contest every time.
Seriously, just buy an iPhone then. MS has given up selling the utility of its *system*, which is fine. But they sound like a hardware company now. Without hardware.
The thing about Apple, to me, is that ever laptop I've bought from them has been incredibly reliable and run for 4(+) years. My friends with PC's seem to have to find a replacement every 2 or 3 years.
@trulymadlyme: Don't do those car analogies; they aren't accurate.
You have to realize that they use basically the same parts available now so the interiors aren't that different. For your car example it would be more akin to car manufacturers who received parts from the same distributors but put different designs for how they would be used and appear externally, and internally.
@Nigromancer: Er, whatever. I got the first 17" g4 powerbook in 2004 and i'm still using it even though it's a bit slow. My friend has had 3 dell laptops in that time.
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More recently, there was this: [en.wikipedia.org]
The purpose of this collaboration is unknown, but it is not new news.
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Corps and end users really don't care where their data will end up -- at least our wonderful government *does*.
This evolutionary move just warms my blackened heart.
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I also like intuitive design. I know that PCs are in trouble when you have to sell them by promising young hipsters they'll be fondled by cops because their (red) PC is branded with some global charity boondoggle.
But, yeah, for this target market, this make sense, while at the same time, you know these are the same people who use their computers for videos, design, pics, etc., most and they would love to have something as intuitive to tie all that together like iLife. And I'm not persuaded otherwise by a midget Spielberg wannabe making bad animal planet homages for his parents to cringe through.
All that said, it's just a consumer preference. It doesn't mean anything.
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Also a dumb troll if you ever get spyware or malware on a PC. With 10 minutes of effort and installing time, I've been totally virus free for about six years now.
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avasti antivirus
peer guardian anonymizer
CCleaner for registry cleaning
spybot for adware
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But I found a guide online to wiping and reinstalling Vista on a new Vaio and spent a few hours doing it myself. Ever since then, it's run like a dream. I actually feel bad for the engineers at these companies: they seem to make good products, but the marketing people force them to install so much crap that they're hobbled from the get-go.
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Are there clever things about a Mac that you don't get from a PC? Sure. But there are lots of clever things in a Bentley that you don't get in an Accord either. Sure, its not quite the same thing, but bottom line is that Mac is a luxury good and status symbol as much as anything else (and intentionally so), which is why I have a feeling that they're not going to be lowering prices anytime soon.
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Good for you. You've validated Microsoft's ad target.
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Now, if they weren't both provided to me free of charge, which would I choose? Well I'll tell you that my Mac retails for about $3800 as configured, and that Thinkpad tops out at like $900. Is the Mac better? Of course. Is it $2900 better? Would I spend my own dollars on it? Probably not... and I have money. To someone who doesn't, then I can't imagine how its even remotely justifiable. Microsoft is very smart to point this out.
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This commercial sells hardware, not software.
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I'm just as incompetent and misuse-ry with my Mac as I was with my Dell, yet my Mac has crashed/hung three times in a year -- while with my Dell it became multiple times per day.
If what you said were true, that disparity wouldn't be so gigantic. There has to be at least one other very large contributing factor.
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Macs are much better for people who are terrible with computers. They're easy to understand with big shiny fun interfaces and hard to break. They're also pretty good with design stuff from what I've seen, although that's not my field.
Unfortunately, they're also just inferior machines to a PC that runs Windows. Simply less powerful in almost every way.
So congratulations, you fit in with my grandmother. If I was going to get her a computer, it would be a Mac. Because it would be hard for her to screw up.
But the rest of us will use PCs and not get viruses because we aren't terrible with computers.
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Unfortunately, they're also just inferior machines to a PC that runs Windows. Simply less powerful in almost every way.
I'll concede your point about power, but I challenge your definition of "inferior." Possibly my Dell was more powerful than my new Mac -- but a more "powerful" machine that crashes/hangs daily and requires hours of maintenance every week is absolutely not inferior to one that doesn't, in terms of what I consider the key metric: Work getting done.
My Dell's engine may have been made by Ferrari, but under real-world conditions it ran like a moped. I suggest that a Mac which simply manages to run like a Honda is going to win that contest every time.
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So, I assume she buys cars based on cupholders and vanity mirrors?
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I am a guy and thats my *only* criteria as well. Oh and it must be tanning bed proof.
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Video editing?
Just random web browsing?
Home office?
Seriously, just buy an iPhone then. MS has given up selling the utility of its *system*, which is fine. But they sound like a hardware company now. Without hardware.
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Apple is like a Honda.
PC's are like GM.
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You have to realize that they use basically the same parts available now so the interiors aren't that different. For your car example it would be more akin to car manufacturers who received parts from the same distributors but put different designs for how they would be used and appear externally, and internally.
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