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    11/13/09

    In reply to An Era Truly Ends as Grunge's Muse Takes a Hallmark Movie Role
    This was an astonishingly enjoyable thread. #winonaryder
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    11/12/09

    In reply to An Era Truly Ends as Grunge's Muse Takes a Hallmark Movie Role
    She does have a pretty good sex tape, though. Maybe she's reinventing herself in the Paris Hilton mode? #winonaryder
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    11/11/09

    In reply to An Era Truly Ends as Grunge's Muse Takes a Hallmark Movie Role
    All I wanted was for my high school to be a nice place.

    Did that sound bitchy? #winonaryder
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    11/11/09

    In reply to An Era Truly Ends as Grunge's Muse Takes a Hallmark Movie Role
    One of the moms at my children's school wears Doc Martens. Old habits die hard.

    She was just laughing about it the other day. She's unemployed (aren't we all?), and she was saying it was probably time to get some proper shoes. #winonaryder
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    11/11/09

    In reply to An Era Truly Ends as Grunge's Muse Takes a Hallmark Movie Role
    "Her sell-out is total, complete and unquestionable, while on another level she remains somehow the brand's truest proponent."

    I found this utterly perfect. #winonaryder
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    11/11/09

    In reply to An Era Truly Ends as Grunge's Muse Takes a Hallmark Movie Role
    At the precise moment I finished reading Generation X in the back of a friend's car travelling south on 101 in Marin, I looked to my right and saw a "Happiness is Living in Palm Springs" license plate holder on a passing car. #winonaryder
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    11/11/09

    In reply to An Era Truly Ends as Grunge's Muse Takes a Hallmark Movie Role
    On the subject of grunge, no one said it better than Eddie Vedder:

    EHHHEHHH IIIHHHIIII OHHHOHHH
    WAAAAAH
    HOO HOO HOO HOO HOO
    ANNADONWANNA DONWANAAAA
    SAAAAAAAAAAAY

    If you can comprehend the 90s, you weren't there. #winonaryder
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    11/11/09

    @random_play: I never dreamed that a thread on this topic could yield such an epic win. +1,000! That screamo/grunty chorus from "Jeremy" is totally the real manifesto of grunge. #winonaryder
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    11/11/09

    In reply to An Era Truly Ends as Grunge's Muse Takes a Hallmark Movie Role
    What about Shannon Hoon from Blind Melon? Drug overdose. #winonaryder
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    11/11/09

    @NYM: If we where to go through grunge legends dead of a drug overdose this would be a REALLLLY long thread. #winonaryder
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    11/11/09

    In reply to An Era Truly Ends as Grunge's Muse Takes a Hallmark Movie Role
    does anyone else remember the rather tragic--though rather excellent--story of how winona used to live with gwyneth paltrow and how the gwynmeister basically STOLE the role of Shakespeare in Love away from Winona (somehow, can't remember the sequence of events, but it sounded rather right as Winona was much higher box office at the time than paltrow)

    anyway, very tragic as the gwyn is like the worst actress ever and completely forgettable in S.in L. (yet somehow manages to win the Oscar and make a spectacle of herself wailing and weeping and shrieking to the point where Blythe Danner, her EXCELLENT mother looks completely horrified in the audience.

    Anyway. Reality does bite. #winonaryder
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    11/11/09

    @manchops: Cate Blanchett was robbed of the Oscar that year!!! #winonaryder
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    11/11/09

    @manchops: That story is a chestnut launched by Winona herself. She was never considered for the role, but was at the time--at least according to Gwyneth, "hell-bent on taking [her] down."

    Gwyn blogged a veiled graf about it on Goop:

    [goop.com]

    It's pretty well known that the Weinsteins picked Gwyneth for that part, as Miramax had previously produced her movies Emma and The Pallbearer, and liked her.

    YOU LIE, Winona!
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    11/11/09

    @manchops: I find it very hard to believe that Gwyneth, who already had a highly acclaimed British period piece ("Emma") under her belt at the time, would need to steal a role from Winona, whose only attempt at a period piece (Dracula, I believe) was so bad, and her British accent so horrendous, it was unwatchable. I don't care for Gwyneth's GOOP blog, or some of her movie choices, but the girl can act. The only reason why Winona was decent in Reality Bites is because she had to play herself (minus the cleptomania bit, which, if we're going to talk about someone with the potential to steal...) #winonaryder
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    11/11/09

    @NYM: i heart you for that NYM. I just heart you. #winonaryder
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    11/11/09

    @snugbug: oh i know all this, but it's still rather fabulous oscar dish none-the-less #winonaryder
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    11/11/09

    @manchops: As we learned in The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance, when it comes down between the truth and the legend, you print the legend. #winonaryder
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    11/11/09

    @manchops: I do love these Oscar-related cat fights, they're such sordid fun. BTW, Winona also scratched at Angelina Jolie in a recent interview--claiming she fought to get her on board for Girl, Interrupted and implying she deserved Angie's gratitude for her subsequent Oscar. Instead, Angie was apparently a "cold" bitch to her. Meow!

    [www.blackbookmag.com] #winonaryder
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    11/11/09

    @pooks: Keanu's accent in Dracula was WAY worse than Winona's, but I agree hers was bad. Though I would posit that Winona wasn't bad in Age of Innocence, which was very much a period piece. #winonaryder
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    11/11/09

    @snugbug: It's also pretty well known WHY the Weinsteins - one in particular - liked Gwyneth so much. #winonaryder
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    11/11/09

    @noonecaresowen: You're jesting, right? Grotty! #winonaryder
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    11/11/09

    @snugbug: Not a bit. Something about *ahem* "baking cookies". #winonaryder
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    Image of manchops manchops
    11/11/09

    @BicycleShed: here here!
    and she ROCKED little women, go head, flame away, i watch it every christmas and boo hoo hoo #winonaryder
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    11/11/09

    @BicycleShed: Winona Ryder has been at her best whenever she played a psycho, passive-agressive wench against Daniel Day-Lewis, i.e., The Age of Innocence, The Crucible. She was mighty fine in the latter. I hated her character so, so much. #winonaryder
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    11/11/09

    @manchops: Gilliam Armstong's Little Women made me cry even back when I was even more jaded, annoying and decidedly against showing emotion. Claire Daines makes the most of her limited screen time. #winonaryder
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    11/11/09

    @noonecaresowen: I can't believe Gwnny went there. I thought since she is from acting royalty she wouldn't have to stoop to doing such a thing. And which Weinstein was it? #winonaryder
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    11/12/09

    @noonecaresowen: I heard that story from a pretty good source close the the parties involved. I believe it. #winonaryder
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    11/11/09

    In reply to An Era Truly Ends as Grunge's Muse Takes a Hallmark Movie Role
    Oh, Layne. With you died my childhood.
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    11/11/09

    In reply to An Era Truly Ends as Grunge's Muse Takes a Hallmark Movie Role
    Anyone remember "Autumn in New York"?!? I would say that was the official death knell. Not that I don't still love Winona, of course. #winonaryder
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    11/11/09

    In reply to An Era Truly Ends as Grunge's Muse Takes a Hallmark Movie Role
    Douglas Coupland is still a hell of a writer. One of the best around, I think. #winonaryder
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    11/11/09

    @Richard Lawson: I salute your contrarianism here, but you need to name some titles for credibility.

    I stopped at Microserfs myself, but I'm quite willing to be wrong about this. #winonaryder
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    11/11/09

    @skahammer: Girlfriend in a Coma; Hey, Nostradamus; the Gum Thief; Eleanor Rigby...I actually don't think there's much he's written that I don't like! Shampoo Planet was a little rough around the edges, I couldn't quite get into All Families Are Psychotic, JPod was weird but by the end I was totally enraptured.

    Even if you don't like him as a writer, how did he sell out? By writing Generation A, I guess would be the answer, but why can't he reflect on something that has so shaped his career? Especially since this idea of the death of Generation X seems to be on a lot of minds lately.

    PS. I know you were asking Richard and not me, and me just naming titles doesn't really make him not a sell out, I'm just confused and kneejerk annoyed by him being included and this was the only comment actually talking about him. #winonaryder
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    11/11/09

    @karatemonkey: Perfectly in-bounds, and merci. I'm actually quite heartened to know that someone's keeping up with Coupland, and to hear some actual testimony that the impression I formed (i.e., that the man's tank was emptying very quickly by the time of Microserfs) was wrong.
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    Image of Richard Lawson Richard Lawson
    11/11/09

    @skahammer: Eleanor Rigby is sad and wonderful, All Families Are Psychotic is weird and stirring and needs to be a movie (that I write and direct), and Miss Wyoming is just beautiful. #winonaryder
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    11/11/09

    @skahammer: I love Microserfs probably too much. But Coupland is pretty prolific, especially when you count all his non-fiction work. I can see, though, how you would get that impression--his work is touted, rightfully so, as internationally bestselling, yet I get a lot of blank stares when I bring up his name as one of my favorite writers. And his work after Microserfs does seem disconnected from that and from Generation X, even if they have a lot of the same themes.

    <--spends too much time thinking about this. #winonaryder
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    11/11/09

    @skahammer: the majority of his post-Microserfs works are good to amazing. Some of them are so amazing that I'm actually jealous that you get to read them for the first time. I'll let you decide which are good and which are amazing (or somewhere in between). #winonaryder
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    11/11/09

    In reply to An Era Truly Ends as Grunge's Muse Takes a Hallmark Movie Role
    Yoko Ono reacts to the Courtney Love comparison. #winonaryder
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    11/11/09

    @Beau Nerd: oh.......I guess I’m just not artistic enough to get her message...this video has left me very confused. maybe that was the point. #winonaryder
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    11/11/09

    @hecriedtheunionforever: I think the title sums it up nicely. #winonaryder
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    11/11/09

    In reply to An Era Truly Ends as Grunge's Muse Takes a Hallmark Movie Role
    So this has little to do with nearly 90% of the cast of Friends, among copious others, who dated the front man for the Counting Crows, or the sycophantic love of Hootie and the Blowfish in the mid 90's? Because I thought Generation X was over at that point. #winonaryder
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    11/11/09

    @Spirit Fingers: While working at a Newscorp internet startup in the 9o's, I once overheard Rupert Murdoch ask the music editor, "wot's a 'ootie?" I don't think that question has ever been answered. #winonaryder
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    11/11/09

    @BadUncle: Imagine the desire to impale oneself on the closest thing possible while working a shit college job and hearing "Only want to be with you" enough times to have the damn thing engraved on your soul. Darius Rucker (Why do I fucking know his name?!) can eat a turd. Really. #winonaryder
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    11/11/09

    @BadUncle: Even if this is true, it's still too good to be true.
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    11/11/09

    In reply to An Era Truly Ends as Grunge's Muse Takes a Hallmark Movie Role
    Winona transcends the grunge movement, or any moment for that matter. She is timeless and amazing and I will shiv anyone who says otherwise. #winonaryder
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