bulllshiiiitt. i submited a complaint about some group whose description is "you weren't raped you're a skank!" and they haven't done anything about it. apparently the gawker post was more abusive
I also tried to post a link to the Gawker article on FB, and it magically disappeared. It remains on my wall, but gets wiped off the News Feed. Why does Big Brother hate Gawker?
@bitch_pleaze: Or, if you're not a defeatist, you could try to solve the problem, instead of just giving up using something you enjoy. Why is this such a bizarre idea to so many people? I've gotten back in touch with people I haven't seen for twenty or thirty years on FB, some of whom are thousands of miles away. It's a great tool, I like using it, I dislike what they've done, and I don't get why the only two options should be "Like it or lump it".
@MissNormaDesmond: The sense of entitlement around Facebook is bizarre to me. Facebook is not a social institution. Facebook is not a basic human right. Facebook is in existence for one reason only. To generate revenue for Facebook.
If they want to fuck around with their customers then their customers should look elsewhere for a better alternative.
@bitch_pleaze: Yeah, I'm aware that that's the way a lot of people view business relationships. What's particularly dumb about that attitude is that it generally results in the golden goose dying an untimely death.
@MissNormaDesmond: I disagree. If your phone company started selling your personal information would you stick with that provider? Or would you seek out a provider that respected your privacy?
I guarantee you that the market will provide an alternative to Facebook if the demand is there (and no... I'm not talking about Myspace).
@bitch_pleaze @MissNormaDesmon: the phone company has been selling your personal information for YEARS. That's why you have to opt-out of the telemarketer calls through the government. I don't get why this is such a big deal. If you're paying attention and reading privacy agreements you can very easily protect your information.
@bitch_pleaze: I think you're absolutely right, but the problem is, for the first time ever, after all the previous attempts (sixdegrees, friendster, even myspace) never before has a social network been so much the rage that everyone is on it, including the oldes who often take months to get the inspiration to join something online. The legwork has been done by getting everyone on FB, it would be virtually impossible for even an awesome badass competitor to start fresh and amass all the people you know and love from FB onto it.
It is the mere fact that everyone's kindergarten friends and old neighborhood pals are on FB that makes it so appealing. Hell, I'm sure there are tons of awesome ripoff FB-types out there already, but no one gives a fuck because no one's using them.
@LysanderNewt: I think you're missing the point. Substitute Heidi Fleiss for phone company - maybe that's a more relevant example. If your "VIP social planner" was selling your personal info you would probably get a new VIP social planner.
@bitch_pleaze: The phone company analogy is obviously inapt. It would be stupid to stick with a phone company that behaved in ways I dislike when there are multiple other companies that currently provide the exact same service. There is no other company at the moment that provides the service that Facebook does, nor will there be for some time, since I would not only need to switch there myself, but to cajole scores of other people, who are the reason I have any interest in being on Facebook, to join as well.
By the way, maybe I wasn't clear -- the attitude I was referring to wasn't yours, it's Facebook's. There are plenty of other ways they could be making money off of their site, but they're choosing ones that will bring in short term profit, at the expense of customer loyalty. Eventually, when there really is a viable alternative -- and you're right that there will be one at some point -- it's going to bite them in the ass, hard.
@bitch_pleaze: Your second analogy isn't any better than your first, for the same reason: you keep acting as if there's more than one service that does what Facebook does. There isn't.
@MissNormaDesmond: The point I'm trying to make (and admittedly doing a bad job) is that there will never be an alternative to Facebook as long as sheeple err... people are afraid or unwilling to leave Facebook.
And on a related note... I liked my second analogy. I thought it was topical (see Tiger) and edgy. It was sexy too goddammit. That's right. Sexy.
it's really narrow-minded and lazy to construct an argument around "but facebook is really good and all of my friends are on it, so facebook should bend to my will and be the way I like it. i can't possibly imagine that someone would create something that might compete with it...and exploit all the shit that fb is currently getting wrong in terms of social networking..."
sorry. i like fb (most of the time) too. some of the decisions they've made over the last year are beyond retarded. still, it is free and I've slowly unburdened myself of the notion that they actually give a shit about what their "customers" actually like.
so, I guess adjusting your privacy settings or making lists or removing photos or doing less crazy shit in real life that might possibly be captured and put on facebook where your boss or your HR person or whomever you decided to friend might see it is "solving the problem"
@bitch_pleaze: There are more options here than "Facebook should do whatever its users say" and "Users should leave Facebook the instant there is any problem."
Good customers (using that term loosely) provide feedback to businesses, and good businesses listen to that feedback (but are not bound to follow it of course). Taking your business elsewhere is a powerful option that we should have, but it ends up hurting both the user as well as the company.
This just in - people who like to be on "reality" shows are odd.
Meanwhile, I hear the "news" networks interrupted coverage of Obama's Louisiana trip for this. (Remember Obama? Remember NOLA?)
Hmmm, maybe more people in this country would understand the real news if we presented it like a "reality" show. News about the economy could be slipped into a show called American Idle. Then you could have Survivor: American Healthcare. Or C-Span's I'm a Senator - Get Me Out of Here ... #4chan
@Uncle_Billy_Slumming: The Papa John's order receipt also shows that the delivery went to "E Harmony Rd". Maybe he is related to the guy who runs AdPay.com. #4chan
@Uncle_Billy_Slumming: When I was in the 3rd grade -- this is maybe 1991 -- my class took part in an Earth Day project to mass-release all of these helium-filled balloons, bearing letters of goodwill for the planet tied to strings, sending them across the Atlantic, presumably to foreign lands and peoples. Some weeks laters, I was sitting in the living room while my mother watches her local TV news program. Report comes up, detailing an unfortunate event at sea, whereby a mass of balloons released from an unknown location resulted in the mass killing of a pod of dolphins. Way to riddle a nine year old with anxiety, cruel world. An evil plot by the Balloon Council to destabilize the emotional states of children the world over, no doubt (linked to the Elders of Zion?).
This article was ten years too late:[www.nytimes.com]
As a wee lad in the hinterlands of the great white north, I had an idea to put messages in bottles with a friend and then throw them in the river. Messages read something like: "If you find this please call the number below. We want to find out how far these bottles get."
So like a year later, someone did call. Hundreds and hundreds of miles away. But now I'm wondering what happened to all the other bottles and yes, there is guilt!
Wondered about your name because Jerusalem U sits on Mount Scopus. So hill/mountain, and a couple of transposed letters...
The Heenes are exhausting even in small doses, the kids are basically nasty and rude people. I've seen their handiwork on quite a few clips on various shows--sucks to be them, really.#4chan
I am still fairly concerned that this was an episode of Arrested Development. A flying machine that loses control? A child hidden in a crawl space? A father who looks like he's from 1990? Twenty bucks says Lucille Austero has a thing for the little one. #4chan
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If Facebook is causing you to lose sleep over privacy concerns then stop using Facebook.
The end.
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If they want to fuck around with their customers then their customers should look elsewhere for a better alternative.
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I guarantee you that the market will provide an alternative to Facebook if the demand is there (and no... I'm not talking about Myspace).
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The art of the kvetch.
You don't have to be Jewish.
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Now if you'd be so kind as to pass me the orange gag ball I'll get down off of my soap box for the evening.
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It is the mere fact that everyone's kindergarten friends and old neighborhood pals are on FB that makes it so appealing. Hell, I'm sure there are tons of awesome ripoff FB-types out there already, but no one gives a fuck because no one's using them.
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By the way, maybe I wasn't clear -- the attitude I was referring to wasn't yours, it's Facebook's. There are plenty of other ways they could be making money off of their site, but they're choosing ones that will bring in short term profit, at the expense of customer loyalty. Eventually, when there really is a viable alternative -- and you're right that there will be one at some point -- it's going to bite them in the ass, hard.
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And on a related note... I liked my second analogy. I thought it was topical (see Tiger) and edgy. It was sexy too goddammit. That's right. Sexy.
Thank you and good night.
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it's really narrow-minded and lazy to construct an argument around "but facebook is really good and all of my friends are on it, so facebook should bend to my will and be the way I like it. i can't possibly imagine that someone would create something that might compete with it...and exploit all the shit that fb is currently getting wrong in terms of social networking..."
sorry. i like fb (most of the time) too. some of the decisions they've made over the last year are beyond retarded. still, it is free and I've slowly unburdened myself of the notion that they actually give a shit about what their "customers" actually like.
so, I guess adjusting your privacy settings or making lists or removing photos or doing less crazy shit in real life that might possibly be captured and put on facebook where your boss or your HR person or whomever you decided to friend might see it is "solving the problem"
for now.
sounds like a great way to spend time.
12/16/09
Good customers (using that term loosely) provide feedback to businesses, and good businesses listen to that feedback (but are not bound to follow it of course). Taking your business elsewhere is a powerful option that we should have, but it ends up hurting both the user as well as the company.
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Nobody puts Modo in the corner . . . unless there's a fifth of scotch in it. #media
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One assumes that she got her invite because like a lot of Americans, Ms Liasson has been the White House staffers' commuter buddy for years #media
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Meanwhile, I hear the "news" networks interrupted coverage of Obama's Louisiana trip for this. (Remember Obama? Remember NOLA?)
Hmmm, maybe more people in this country would understand the real news if we presented it like a "reality" show. News about the economy could be slipped into a show called American Idle. Then you could have Survivor: American Healthcare. Or C-Span's I'm a Senator - Get Me Out of Here ... #4chan
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Is he related to the guy who runs AdPay.com? If so, are they in cahoots?
Was this just a test to study how information about events flow through the networks?
Or is it part of a larger campaign to demoralize the country by messing violently with its trust?
Bonus: How is this whole episode related to Harold Pinter's play, The Birthday Party? #4chan
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Hmmm.. and check this out now:
[balloon.mit.edu]
(btw, are you at Jerusalem U?)
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This article was ten years too late:[www.nytimes.com]
(nope, why do you ask?)
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How many balloons were there??
That doesn't sound right at all.
As a wee lad in the hinterlands of the great white north, I had an idea to put messages in bottles with a friend and then throw them in the river. Messages read something like: "If you find this please call the number below. We want to find out how far these bottles get."
So like a year later, someone did call. Hundreds and hundreds of miles away. But now I'm wondering what happened to all the other bottles and yes, there is guilt!
Wondered about your name because Jerusalem U sits on Mount Scopus. So hill/mountain, and a couple of transposed letters...
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... GEEEENEEE!
#4chan
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