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    Image of DennyCrane DennyCrane
    08:08 AM

    In reply to James Franco's 'General Hospital' Appearance Was Subversive Performance Art
    "What is art?"
    "Uh, paintings and stuff?"
    "...... Okay."
    - The State
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    Image of Pope John Peeps II Pope John Peeps II
    07:01 AM

    In reply to James Franco's 'General Hospital' Appearance Was Subversive Performance Art
    The idea of performance art is strange to me. Possibly because I spent my life studying books and philosophy. Performance art basically performs the function of disruption. It's something like the embodied form of the post-structuralist philosophy that shook up the intellectual world in the mid century. That primary thing has also become the hallmark of modern art. How many countless times have you seen the phrase "this is supposed to make us QUESION [x]".James Franco posits this in his essay, because he's a terribly young arts student. Still at the stage where you think a good hokey prank is equivalent to good art.

    After the questioning is supposed to come a reification, a reconstruction. Something to pose a fully realized alternative. Which Franco should know as an actor who's worked in theatre. Simply acting in performace spaces to "disrupt" is fine. But what comes after? One can't simply deconstruct endlessly.
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    Image of cowboytwopointoh cowboytwopointoh
    07:20 AM

    @Pope John Peeps II: I would like to commission Franco to write an Op-Ed about how 'Jersey Shore' is a post-structuralist examination of hedonism within ethnic enclaves in America.

    Maybe then, I'll be able to justify all my pot-smoking (which I don't engage in currently, but am about the cultivate seriously in future)
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    Pope John Peeps II promoted this comment Edited by cowboytwopointoh at 12/04/09 7:20 AM cowboytwopointoh was starred cowboytwopointoh was unstarred
    Image of marin79 marin79
    08:06 AM

    @cowboytwopointoh: I had read this article last night before Shore & made the same comment to Brian after he said something about a "meta moment" on the show! I'm hoping Franco's analysis will be in Monday's New Yorker.
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    Image of OliversArmy OliversArmy
    06:28 AM

    In reply to James Franco's 'General Hospital' Appearance Was Subversive Performance Art
    If soap operas were like circuses James Franco would be their art carnie.
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    Image of Benny Benny
    04:23 AM

    In reply to James Franco's 'General Hospital' Appearance Was Subversive Performance Art
    I have a long standing hatred for the question 'is this art?' It's pretentious snobbery.

    Of course it's art. Art is anything that's been made with aesthetic intent. There. Simple definition.

    Yet people continually go on about what does and does not qualify as 'art', as though there were some elusive quality of 'artiness' that we're all struggling to grasp. What's implicit to the question is the idea that art is somehow special or sacred or whatever; that true art is imbued with 'importance', so we shouldn't accept that just anything may be 'art'.

    Bullshit. Most 'art' sucks. And too much bad art gets away with sucking because it qualifies for some standard of artiness that other art does not, no matter how good it may be, and is therefore out of the reach of critical assessment.

    Art isn't special by virtue of being art. It's only special by virtue of being good, if and when it is. The question, 'is this art?' needs to be replaced by the question 'is this good art?'

    Most of the time the answer's 'no'. When the answers 'yes' then that should be acknowledged independently of any other criteria.
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    Image of Morne Morne
    05:23 AM

    @Benny: This is... a really good post.
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    Image of Benny Benny
    05:30 AM

    @Morne: Thanks. :)
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    Image of Magister Magister
    06:18 AM

    @Benny: If we are to accept that "Art is anything that's been made with aesthetic intent", are we obligated to accept the artist's intent?

    For instance, yesterday, I posted a handful of links to my own blog about a couple of artists who made "funny" or designed notes and mailed them to everyone in a Pittsburgh neighborhood.

    Photos of all the notes are posted to the artist's blog, but they said somewhere in their press that the actual collection of notes or the letters themselves isn't the art, and nowhere do they claim that mailing them to an entire neighborhood or their goal of mailing one to everyone in the world is the art, but instead, they repeatedly say that "the art work consists solely of the discussion between the recipients".

    Apparently this is these artists' intent, but do I have to accept that it's their art?
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    Edited by Magister at 12/04/09 6:23 AM Magister was starred Magister was unstarred
    Image of Benny Benny
    06:34 AM

    @Magister: Well, I would say you can do whatever you like. You don't HAVE to accept anything. :)

    As for me, I think the letters are their art, and the rest of it sounds like kinda pretentious justifications where none are necessary: what is wrong with making funny letters?

    So anyway, yeah, the letters (and photos) meet my definition.
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    06:39 AM

    @Benny: Though I'd add to that, if they want to call the interactions of those who encounter their letters 'art', they're more than welcome.

    The more pressing question is, 'who gives a shit?'

    If your art sucks, the fact that it's 'art' doesn't make it suck any less.
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    Image of Atilla the Bun Atilla the Bun
    01:33 AM

    In reply to James Franco's 'General Hospital' Appearance Was Subversive Performance Art
    I gotta ask Adrian...have you actually watched GH, particularly right before Franco joined the show? And have you watched it while he has been on?

    I know this is akin to admitting that I'm a serial killer or a pedophile but...yes, I watch soap operas. I started watching them at my momma's knee when I was a kid and have continued with the habit through college, grad school, and now adult working life. I DVR One Life to Live and General Hospital, and watch them, sometimes on ffwd, on the weekend or every other weekend when folding laundry or the like.

    But my point is....Franco kind of has a point about the meta aspect of his performance. He plays a mysterious artist named Franco, and yeah, much of the time I've watched his scenes I've thought "this is James Franco playing a guy on a soap named Franco." And it's almost impossible to watch him in the role without being acutely aware that this is a famous movie actor playing a famous artist on a show. It does add another layer of interest to the show.

    I think he also has a point about the critically legitimate thing. Yes, soaps are outrageous and silly in many ways. But having "big time movie star" Franco playing against these other soap actors brings home the point that (1) many of these actors on these shows are just as good as him and (2) are not playing roles that much more outrageous than roles Franco has played in other films.

    So yeah, I do think it makes (some) people question whether soaps are less critically legitimate. Of course, other people just think it's a soap so why care.
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    Edited by Atilla the Bun at 12/04/09 1:43 AM Atilla the Bun was starred Atilla the Bun was unstarred
    Image of Magister Magister
    05:47 AM

    @Atilla the Bun: I watched GH for the better part of two decades, but then they pissed me off in 2001 and I've only seen it a couple of times a year, since.

    The clips they have posted on Jezebel, the one above and the one the other day on .tv, all say hey - look at James Franco - he's on a soap and now with the op-ed, he's pulled himself further from the context.
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    Edited by Magister at 12/04/09 5:58 AM Magister was starred Magister was unstarred
    Image of Phyllis Nefler Phyllis Nefler
    01:14 AM

    In reply to James Franco's 'General Hospital' Appearance Was Subversive Performance Art
    This is a breathtaking symphony of words. Now I get why people dress up to go to Lincoln Center.
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    Image of rodmanstreet rodmanstreet
    12:43 AM

    In reply to James Franco's 'General Hospital' Appearance Was Subversive Performance Art
    I've really been hoping this whole time that Franco would just say that he was doing General Hospital just for the fuck of it. "Because I can!" he should have said.
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    Image of skt.smth skt.smth
    12:43 AM

    In reply to James Franco's 'General Hospital' Appearance Was Subversive Performance Art
    The real crime here isn't in believing that his appearance constitutes art, or provokes in the way performance art usually is meant to, but rather in the hand-holding Art Appreciation-ness of his analysis. It's like trying to explain "cool." In doing so, you generally end up counteracting it.
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    Image of GlasgowRose GlasgowRose
    12:37 AM

    In reply to James Franco's 'General Hospital' Appearance Was Subversive Performance Art
    WSJ missed the real breaking news: Franco is still dead.
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    Image of sarrible sarrible
    12:35 AM

    In reply to James Franco's 'General Hospital' Appearance Was Subversive Performance Art
    Flyboys is a truly unbearably terrible movie. I think it's worse than Annapolis, which I've only seen on a Chinatown bus, with Mandarin dialogue and Cantonese subtitles.
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    Image of If_I_Had_a_Poodle If_I_Had_a_Poodle
    12/03/09

    In reply to Grandmothers and Ice Cream Should Not Get So Close
    A friend who worked for years in nursing homes said you'd be amazed at the levels of activity
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    Image of TheMac TheMac
    12/03/09

    @If_I_Had_a_Poodle: My first job was at a nursing home. I was 14.

    Never forget.
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    Image of BettyCrocker BettyCrocker
    12/03/09

    In reply to Grandmothers and Ice Cream Should Not Get So Close
    Two Grans, One Cone
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    Image of If_I_Had_a_Poodle If_I_Had_a_Poodle
    12/03/09

    @BettyCrocker: [instantrimshot.com]
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    Image of If_I_Had_a_Poodle If_I_Had_a_Poodle
    12/03/09

    In reply to Grandmothers and Ice Cream Should Not Get So Close
    So if your potential partner doesn't have teeth, is that a good thing or a bad thing?
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    Image of Mike Jahn Mike Jahn
    12/03/09

    @If_I_Had_a_Poodle: Depends on how big are your expectations.
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    Image of If_I_Had_a_Poodle If_I_Had_a_Poodle
    12/03/09

    @Mike Jahn: ***expectations***
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    Image of ParahSalin ParahSalin
    12:13 AM

    @If_I_Had_a_Poodle: ***Depends****
    Sorry, I couldn't resist.
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    Image of Mike Jahn Mike Jahn
    12/03/09

    In reply to Grandmothers and Ice Cream Should Not Get So Close
    I suppose there's no benefit whatsoever to getting oral sex from someone who's been doing it for 40 years. Just saying.
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    Image of If_I_Had_a_Poodle If_I_Had_a_Poodle
    12/03/09

    @Mike Jahn: If they look 70, you think they waited til 30?
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    Image of AzureTexan AzureTexan
    12/03/09

    @Mike Jahn: Sooner or fellator, someone falls asleep in your lap.
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    Image of Seeräuber Jenny Seeräuber Jenny
    12/03/09

    In reply to Grandmothers and Ice Cream Should Not Get So Close
    --Every older woman is not a grandmother. Why are women still being defined in terms of biological capacities that they may not have used?

    -- "Old person"? Looks like old women are the only ones being made fun of in that ad.

    --On the news today I heard that something called a "Grandma's Law" had been passed. It's an anti-violence measure. Like old men aren't victims of crime?

    Apparently, sexism ends only at death.
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    Image of Mike Jahn Mike Jahn
    12/03/09

    @Seeräuber Jenny: I know lots of 60-something women, and none of them dress up like a 1950s conception of a granny.
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