And when Scott Roeder kills a doctor, it's not because of his "extremist Christian beliefs," it's because he's either extremely pro-life or because he's a "concerned citizen." Balls. #nidalmalikhasan
I wish the network news dinks would really assert the fact the biggest enemy we face in the U.S. are loons inside of the U.S.
Anti-Obama folks hoarding guns and ammo and showing up at rallies with assault rifles? Now this?
Also, everything points to this guy being a known problem who was shuffled around by his supervisors. When he should have been kicked out of the military to begin with.
It's seems like only yesterday (actually, it was Monday) that Virginia Foxx R-NC was telling me that I had less to fear from Islamic terrorists than from the Democrats' healthcare bill. At this point in the week, is that still an acceptable statement? Perhaps she'd feel differently if Ft. Hood were in her district. Or if she had a soul.
I'm not sure why this has to be something that joins the long list of things liberals and conservatives fight over. It sucks when people kill for religion. It sucks when people kill because they can't get laid. It sucks when people kill because they get picked on at school. It sucks when people kill because they feel socially ostracized. It sucks when people kill so they can get their picture on the news. It sucks when people kill because their boss made them work overtime. It sucks when people kill because a TV host told them the government was going to take away their guns. It sucks when people kill because the IRS is unconstitutional blah blah fucking blah.
To me, I'm bored senseless by the "why" of the nihilistic disregard for human life displayed by all these fuckers, the absolute narcissism of thinking your "reasons" trump anyone else's right to continue living. Fuck no.
Muhammad told you to kill your fellow soldiers? Fuck him. Jesus wanted you to invade a country and take out a few hundred thousand civilians? Fuck him. Lord Krishna order you to torch that mosque and take back your temple? Fuck him and fuck your temple. Fuck your mosque, your church, your synagogue, your scripture, your holy places and your heritage. Fuck your cause.
Because if this is the service your God asks of you, your God is an asshole.
@Mediahohoho: Yours is an entertaining rant, but devoid of any legit intellectual value. Empty calories, like gulping down a soda that feels satisfying in the moment but has zero nutritional value. You're bulldozing over the complex meaning and purpose of religious affiliation with a storm of F words. I'm not sure how this makes us smarter, not Fox News-dumber, but whatever. #nidalmalikhasan
@snugbug: "You're bulldozing over the complex meaning and purpose of religious affiliation with a storm of F words."
That's not at all what she's doing. If killing isn't a service your god asks of you then your god isn't an asshole!
But, arguably, it's not your god but you whose the asshole in that equation, right? So god's off the hook! Unless even the good gods are as much a projection of their believers as the bad ones--something that does go toward understanding the complexities of religious affiliation, but not one that the religiously affiliated would appreciate. Too bad. #nidalmalikhasan
@Mediahohoho: I don't think your rant is "devoid of any legit intellectual value". It is making a great point, of being tired of hearing about the Whys of murder, as if there is a philosophical/religious excuse for randomly killing strangers/coworkers/passersby/etc. No need for a sympathetic psychological/sociological history of major religions to make the point. Maybe part of the problem is that organized religion gets far too much sympathy. #nidalmalikhasan
@Bulkington: Very good. Exactly. God is never the problem; man/womankind is. We invented God and then proceeded to put words into his mouth. I realize this last statement doesn't make much logical sense--you need to read it as a koan of some sort. I specialize in koans, you see. #nidalmalikhasan
@Bulkington: What the fuck are you people even talking about? Who are you saying this to? It astounds me that what amounts to little more than a quasi-poem scrawled in the margins of a Psychopathic Records notebook could be called a "comment of the century." So you've demonstrated that you can be despondent about shit. Awesome. Let's pat ourselves on the back some more. We've done a great job here.
It's bullshit like this that makes embarrassed to be an atheist, sometimes. But then, there are short-sighted nitwits in every group that reflect badly on the whole, amirite?
Anyway, the serious point to make is, it's monumentally stupid to boil down something like this to simple religion. It's never that simple. The foulest thing about this whole mess is that no one will learn from it. Islamic nationalism / militarism has little to nothing to do with Islam, and everything to do with elements of regional cultures violently resisting western encroachment. The idea of a global network of religious extremist only kind of came into reality after 9/11, when the Bush Administration became the proverbial bull in the china shop of the Middle East. The seeds of it were sewn long before that, in Cold War politicking and CIA meddling, in the side effects of American economic imperialism. This is all international politics.
"Al Qaeda" didn't spring from whole cloth. They were a locally-focused group who, after failing as a popular movement (fancy that, a bunch of devout muslims not deciding democratically to submit to ultraconservatives!) decided they'd use violence against their regional states, and ultimately came to the (probably accurate) conclusion that they would never come to power with Western nations involved in local events.
But the point is, it's kind of ridiculous and typical of lazy atheists to think that a person just picks up a holy book and becomes a violent warrior of faith. Yes, there is history behind it. Yes, there is sociology behind it. There's got to be an explanation why there are some muslims who never murder anyone and some who have the desire to murder everyone. It's grotesque and dishonest to paint them with the same brush.
What if we find out that this particular murderer was not part of a terrorist cell, but acted on his own spontaneously? It would make more sense to assume that there was something about his job, something about the war that pushed him irrevocably to the edge. But that's too difficult to think about, isn't it? Best to just sever that Gordian Knot. What's the worst that can happen? Yeah, fuck this nebulously defined group of astounding breadth. Punk rock!
@snugbug: @John Thompson: You both pretty much missed the point of everything I was saying. But you seem pretty satisfied with yourselves so enjoy. #nidalmalikhasan
@Mediahohoho: Oh no, I didn't miss it. You're angered by religiously inspired violence. We (well, at least I) was just reacting to the fact that you seem to have condemned entire religions & their base on account of the actions of a handful of cuckoo fringe lunatics that identified themselves as followers. Fair? Also, I'm never satisfied. Never, ever. Gimme more! #nidalmalikhasan
@snugbug: I really don't think that Mediahohoho condemned entire groups of religious people, only the mouthpieces of religion (fuck Muhammad, fuck Jesus, fuck Vishnu, not fuck Muslims, fuck Christians, fuck Hindus), and more importantly, s/he put it in the form of a conditional: IF your god tells you to kill, then fuck your god. S/he never said that "obviously the bible/koran/rig veda/norse sagas/dianetics led xyz to kill a bunch of people" #nidalmalikhasan
@snugbug: No, it was more in the line of stating my opinion that neither religion nor any of the other aforementioned reasons ascribed to mass murderers matter, are cogent or need to be dwelt upon by as serious elements of thoughtful discourse. I thought it was obvious.
For the record, my problem with religions has everything to do with their hijackers, the fundamentalists, who use these dogmas for their own selfish, narcissistic purposes. I think most people in all religions couldn't really give a shit, go through the motions and are embarrassed by their co-religionists' misuse of their various dogmas.
And I reiterate my opinion that anyone who undertakes the murder of unsuspecting, unarmed people really doesn't have an excuse grounded in any wothwhile philosophical or metaphysical paradigm because it is, by definition, an act of insanity. To me, Charles Whitman, Tim McVeigh and this prick have nothing to say to me because they're all just nuts.
But again, I'm not here to harsh on anyone who gets off on feeling intellectually superior to me. It's the least I can do, right? #nidalmalikhasan
So if the guy shooting up Orlando right now turns out to be a Christian, can that be used as a rallying cry to disenfranchise all Christian men from mainstream America? If only people realized how friggin similar all the three Abrahamic faiths are, this would really be a moot point by now. #nidalmalikhasan
I recall here in Salt Lake the time after a young Bosnian man went on a shooting spree in a local mall, killing several people and injuring others. He was muslim, and it didn't take long before people were crying for his connections to radical Islam to be investigated. Turned out there was nothing at all to that idea, and fortunately local law enforcement made that very clear. That said, he was a white kid (which was in itself apparently mind-blowing for people around here - a muslim that looks exactly like your kid?? Impossible!). I'm sure if had not been a white kid from a European country people would not have been quite so willing to let that side of the story go, despite a total lack of evidence that that was a factor. #nidalmalikhasan
Here's the thing, and I am making no judgements on which side is right or wrong, I just think this is extremely interesting:
If someone killed a bunch of people, and said God told him too, and his name was Bubbah Lee Johnson, we would label him schizophrenic and give him medical treatment. Still prison, of course, but people would say he has an obvious mental disorder. Change Bubbah Lee Johnson to Muhammed Al Sherik, and people will immediately say, "those Muslims, they are dangerous, etc etc." If anyone suggested, oh that man is just suffering from schizophrenia, no one would accept that as an explanation. #nidalmalikhasan
@mrsdracomalfoy: Same thing happens with "honor killings." A few months ago some white British man murdered his wife after she updated her Facebook profile to say she was single. If that man had been Pakistani, the words "honor killing" would have been splayed across Page One of The Sun. #nidalmalikhasan
If I were a guy in the military who found out he was going to be shipped over to Afghanistan and I desperately didn't want to go, I think giving folks the impression that I had become a very religious Muslim (much in the way that Klinger decided to wear womens clothes- though I'm not equating crossdressing and the Muslim religion), might be a good approach to take. Perhaps it was all just a ruse that didn't work, and maybe this (and the fact that he is not wrapped too tight anyway) is what made him snap. #nidalmalikhasan
A Muslim saying Allahu Akbar is the rough equivalent of a Catholic crossing himself. And just like Catholics might cross themselves before, say, lining up for the snap in a football game, it doesn't mean that they are playing football because they think their religion requires them to. The far more likely explanation here is that Hasan snapped and went crazy and then called down God's blessing as he went about his task. I mean, the schitzophrenic dude on the street corner by where I work shouts out Bible verses as he walks in and out of traffic; does that mean he's walking in traffic because Christianity tells him to do so?
Until there's evidence of a motive, all the media speculation of a religious motive is irresponsible and bigoted. #nidalmalikhasan
@Wenceslaus: Well, the guy had apparently made a number of statements to the effect that Muslims in Afghanistan and Iraq were entitled to defend themselves against American aggressors, that he was happy when an American soldier was killed, etc., that sound odd coming from an American soldier. While there certainly may have been additional factors that caused him to snap, it seems likely that his religio-political beliefs played a role. #nidalmalikhasan
@Fuzzy Dunlop: White men have been shooting up places from time immemorial, so I guess a 'legitimate fear' of white men is also reasonable. #nidalmalikhasan
@topsy: Wow. Where did I say anything about a "legitimate fear" of Muslims being acceptable? I assume that's what you're implying when you put that phrase in quotes? #nidalmalikhasan
@Fuzzy Dunlop: My apologies. My comment was primarily directed to the original piece.
I responded to your comment because you made a connection between his religion and politics and this massacre. But 'apparently' isn't really proof that this man was anything more than a nutcase, Muslim or not. According to his cousin, he 'apparently' joined the military because he felt it was his duty as an American. So 'apparently' this guy was a patriot. #nidalmalikhasan
@Wenceslaus: Your explanation is great, but you really need to get it down to soundbite, and then get someone to say it on TV, before it will be of any use. Hey--doesn't Rush Limbaugh read this? #nidalmalikhasan
@topsy: I said "seems likely" because I acknowledge that, especially at this early date, it's impossible to know for sure what his motivations were. At the same time, in light of the evidence coming out regarding his behavior in the preceding months, it seems disingenuous to argue that his religious/political beliefs likely played no role. It's akin to the teabaggers who argue that whoever killed the census worker and carved the word "FED" carved into his chest might not have been motivated by anti-government sentiment.
It absolutely sucks that this happened, for obvious reasons but also because nutjobs on the right will use this to justify their anti-Islamic rhetoric. At the same time, we lose credibility if we argue that this asshole's political beliefs had nothing to do with his actions. #nidalmalikhasan
@Wenceslaus: There is a widely held perception that the West is fighting a kind of modern Crusade against Islam -- so it's quite reasonable to think some Arab-American Muslim who has made statements that he ascribes to this perception would crack and go gun-crazy. There's nothing "Islamophobic" about that.
The bigotry come in when people jump to conclusions about "Muslims in general."
That said, and I am speaking as someone who has spent years in the Middle East and has read the Qur'an, there are clearly passages in the Qur'an and Hadith that help along anyone who wants wage holy war, and there are a lot of guys (they tend to be guys) out there willing to use these passages to justify killing innocent people. And yes, most Muslims in the world know this is wrong, but some are conflicted when they see US supporting the pounding of non-combatants in Gaza and Lebanon. It also doesn't help quell the holy war bullshit when we send robotic drones into Waziristan to blow up wedding parties and fuck up the lives of a lot of really poor, stupid, uneducated, fundamentalist people in the region.
Every time we fuck up and kill some child in a drone attack in our war on terror, that child's body is on the front page of every newspaper in the region and the following Friday sermon in many mosques in the region couches the death of that child in terms of holy war. That's a potent form of propaganda we create through "collateral damage" -- avoidable or not. #nidalmalikhasan
that Hasan's rampage was an act of Islamist terrorism
Terrorism? The guy was attacking the military. How is that terrorism, which is almost exclusively defined as attack against civilian targets? #nidalmalikhasan
@beercheck: Well, yes? Attacking the military is generally thought of as an act of war, not terrorism. Although there's a lot of gray area when you are a lone shooter and you attack them at a doctor's office, you might just call this guy an act of crazy? #nidalmalikhasan
@DannyOcean: I'd say that's at least a little closer. Particularly since the (intended) victims were unarmed and included civilian(s). #nidalmalikhasan
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Glenn Beck mocks Media Matters' VP Rabin-Havt's last name and calls him a hobbit and asks if Gandalf works at Media Matters too.
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Anti-Obama folks hoarding guns and ammo and showing up at rallies with assault rifles? Now this?
Also, everything points to this guy being a known problem who was shuffled around by his supervisors. When he should have been kicked out of the military to begin with.
Good lord. What a mess. #nidalmalikhasan
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To me, I'm bored senseless by the "why" of the nihilistic disregard for human life displayed by all these fuckers, the absolute narcissism of thinking your "reasons" trump anyone else's right to continue living. Fuck no.
Muhammad told you to kill your fellow soldiers? Fuck him. Jesus wanted you to invade a country and take out a few hundred thousand civilians? Fuck him. Lord Krishna order you to torch that mosque and take back your temple? Fuck him and fuck your temple. Fuck your mosque, your church, your synagogue, your scripture, your holy places and your heritage. Fuck your cause.
Because if this is the service your God asks of you, your God is an asshole.
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That's not at all what she's doing. If killing isn't a service your god asks of you then your god isn't an asshole!
But, arguably, it's not your god but you whose the asshole in that equation, right? So god's off the hook! Unless even the good gods are as much a projection of their believers as the bad ones--something that does go toward understanding the complexities of religious affiliation, but not one that the religiously affiliated would appreciate. Too bad. #nidalmalikhasan
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And I concur. #nidalmalikhasan
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Hmmmm....how about man made god long ago out of ignorance and fear?? #nidalmalikhasan
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It's bullshit like this that makes embarrassed to be an atheist, sometimes. But then, there are short-sighted nitwits in every group that reflect badly on the whole, amirite?
Anyway, the serious point to make is, it's monumentally stupid to boil down something like this to simple religion. It's never that simple. The foulest thing about this whole mess is that no one will learn from it. Islamic nationalism / militarism has little to nothing to do with Islam, and everything to do with elements of regional cultures violently resisting western encroachment. The idea of a global network of religious extremist only kind of came into reality after 9/11, when the Bush Administration became the proverbial bull in the china shop of the Middle East. The seeds of it were sewn long before that, in Cold War politicking and CIA meddling, in the side effects of American economic imperialism. This is all international politics.
"Al Qaeda" didn't spring from whole cloth. They were a locally-focused group who, after failing as a popular movement (fancy that, a bunch of devout muslims not deciding democratically to submit to ultraconservatives!) decided they'd use violence against their regional states, and ultimately came to the (probably accurate) conclusion that they would never come to power with Western nations involved in local events.
But the point is, it's kind of ridiculous and typical of lazy atheists to think that a person just picks up a holy book and becomes a violent warrior of faith. Yes, there is history behind it. Yes, there is sociology behind it. There's got to be an explanation why there are some muslims who never murder anyone and some who have the desire to murder everyone. It's grotesque and dishonest to paint them with the same brush.
What if we find out that this particular murderer was not part of a terrorist cell, but acted on his own spontaneously? It would make more sense to assume that there was something about his job, something about the war that pushed him irrevocably to the edge. But that's too difficult to think about, isn't it? Best to just sever that Gordian Knot. What's the worst that can happen? Yeah, fuck this nebulously defined group of astounding breadth. Punk rock!
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For the record, my problem with religions has everything to do with their hijackers, the fundamentalists, who use these dogmas for their own selfish, narcissistic purposes. I think most people in all religions couldn't really give a shit, go through the motions and are embarrassed by their co-religionists' misuse of their various dogmas.
And I reiterate my opinion that anyone who undertakes the murder of unsuspecting, unarmed people really doesn't have an excuse grounded in any wothwhile philosophical or metaphysical paradigm because it is, by definition, an act of insanity. To me, Charles Whitman, Tim McVeigh and this prick have nothing to say to me because they're all just nuts.
But again, I'm not here to harsh on anyone who gets off on feeling intellectually superior to me. It's the least I can do, right? #nidalmalikhasan
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The first thing that comes to mind is "racist." Hope you're not offended. #nidalmalikhasan
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If someone killed a bunch of people, and said God told him too, and his name was Bubbah Lee Johnson, we would label him schizophrenic and give him medical treatment. Still prison, of course, but people would say he has an obvious mental disorder. Change Bubbah Lee Johnson to Muhammed Al Sherik, and people will immediately say, "those Muslims, they are dangerous, etc etc." If anyone suggested, oh that man is just suffering from schizophrenia, no one would accept that as an explanation. #nidalmalikhasan
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Crazy Religious Does Something Crazy, Religious. #nidalmalikhasan
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Until there's evidence of a motive, all the media speculation of a religious motive is irresponsible and bigoted. #nidalmalikhasan
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I responded to your comment because you made a connection between his religion and politics and this massacre. But 'apparently' isn't really proof that this man was anything more than a nutcase, Muslim or not. According to his cousin, he 'apparently' joined the military because he felt it was his duty as an American. So 'apparently' this guy was a patriot. #nidalmalikhasan
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It absolutely sucks that this happened, for obvious reasons but also because nutjobs on the right will use this to justify their anti-Islamic rhetoric. At the same time, we lose credibility if we argue that this asshole's political beliefs had nothing to do with his actions. #nidalmalikhasan
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The bigotry come in when people jump to conclusions about "Muslims in general."
That said, and I am speaking as someone who has spent years in the Middle East and has read the Qur'an, there are clearly passages in the Qur'an and Hadith that help along anyone who wants wage holy war, and there are a lot of guys (they tend to be guys) out there willing to use these passages to justify killing innocent people. And yes, most Muslims in the world know this is wrong, but some are conflicted when they see US supporting the pounding of non-combatants in Gaza and Lebanon. It also doesn't help quell the holy war bullshit when we send robotic drones into Waziristan to blow up wedding parties and fuck up the lives of a lot of really poor, stupid, uneducated, fundamentalist people in the region.
Every time we fuck up and kill some child in a drone attack in our war on terror, that child's body is on the front page of every newspaper in the region and the following Friday sermon in many mosques in the region couches the death of that child in terms of holy war. That's a potent form of propaganda we create through "collateral damage" -- avoidable or not. #nidalmalikhasan
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Terrorism? The guy was attacking the military. How is that terrorism, which is almost exclusively defined as attack against civilian targets? #nidalmalikhasan
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