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    Image of lobstr lobstr
    11/23/09

    In reply to Nobody Knows What to Do with a Female Teen Killer, Other Than Watch Her Creepy Videos
    If anything, give her the chair for her usage of Comic Sans.
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    11/23/09

    @lobstr: Genius. Twisted genius, but genius nonetheless.
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    11/23/09

    In reply to Nobody Knows What to Do with a Female Teen Killer, Other Than Watch Her Creepy Videos
    I guess we can look forward to another Ellen Page vehicle.
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    11/23/09

    @iplaudius: Comments like this make me want to switch out my brain for a new model. I'll never think this quickly.
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    Image of MissNormaDesmond MissNormaDesmond
    11/23/09

    In reply to Confessed Teen Killer's Social Networking Hobbies: 'Killing People'
    If I see one more pompous asshole say idiotic things about psychiatric disorders they know nothing about I think I'm going to commit a thrill killing.
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    Image of Poop Cooper Poop Cooper
    11/23/09

    In reply to Nobody Knows What to Do with a Female Teen Killer, Other Than Watch Her Creepy Videos
    What I find even more interesting is the model Missouri has for incarcerating its youth:

    "[If Bustamanate is convicted] of first-degree murder, it's still possible she will end up in the care of the state Division of Youth Services.

    "That's because Missouri is one of 22 states to have what is called a 'dual jurisdiction' system. Under state law, if Bustamante was found guilty, a judge could consider keeping her under the care of the juvenile system — which is heavy on rehabilitation — until she is 21. At that point, another hearing would be held to determine if she was ready to be released, or sent to adult prison for the remainder of her sentence."

    Basically, despite being charged as an adult, she could still only serve a minor's sentence.

    People who are pro-rehabilitation can cite that "of the 46 juveniles who have completed the state's rehabilitation program as part of a dual jurisdiction sentence, only 10 have ended up going back to prison, said Heberle. That's nearly an 80 percent success rate, which is much higher than traditional corrections programs."

    People on the opposing side can cite that of those 46 juveniles, only 5 have ever been girls, 1 of which has re-offended, and none were charged with first-degree murder, though the system has worked for boys of similar background.

    Given her background, I think she's most likely to commit suicide before anyone has a chance to figure out what to do with her.
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    11/23/09

    @Poop Cooper: Sounds something like Canada's system. That sure is an impressive success rate; there's only one program I've heard of here that approaches that rate for violent offenders, and it's restricted to Aboriginal participants.
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    11/23/09

    @Poop Cooper: Yes, but of those 46 juveniles, how many were convicted of manslaughter vs. just being a douchebag arsonist/troublemaker? That makes a difference.
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    Image of raincoaster raincoaster
    11/23/09

    In reply to Nobody Knows What to Do with a Female Teen Killer, Other Than Watch Her Creepy Videos
    I guess they never heard of Nick Cave's Curse of Millhaven, or any of the kids listed here eh?

    [www.trutv.com]
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    11/23/09

    @raincoaster: Or this 14-year-old girl, wanted for murdering a homeless man:
    [www.cbc.ca]

    This 15-year-old girl , charged with murdering a 78-year old man :

    [network.nationalpost.com]

    Or the Reena Virk swarming case:

    [www.cbc.ca]

    And that's just Canada, which had a total murder count of 594 in 2007.

    It's not rare. It's just rare that there's one so well-documented.
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    Image of RandomLunatic RandomLunatic
    11/23/09

    @raincoaster: Thank you. I was getting so annoyed in general with people acting as if this story was something new. I wish it was. It is not - not by a long shot.
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    11/23/09


    @raincoaster: Actually, in the scheme of things, female juvenile murderer numbers are rather low when compared to male juvenile murderers. And I expect when the type of murder is taken into account (meaning premeditated, seemingly motive-less, and non-firearm-related), you could probably count the annual female offenders on two hands. The latest numbers I could find were from 2006: that year, about 7% of known juvenile murderers were female (88 out of 1253) ([ojjdp.ncjrs.org]).

    Actually--I just found this website where you can search very specific crime-related terms. It appears that in 2006, 47 non-firearm-related murders were committed by females under the age of 17: [ojjdp.ncjrs.gov] That's compared to 305 committed by juvenile males. So about 13% of non-firearm-related (and, in my mind, far more personal and brutal) murders in 2006 were committed by juvenile females.
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    11/23/09

    @mimilove: Thank you, yes. I know that (well, not the specific integers, but the trends, yes). What I'm trying to show is that this is such an unthinkable occurrence that, although it does occur with some regularity and predictability, the collective memory blocks it out.

    Females, by the way, are far more likely to be poisoners. So think of that the next time you ask some pissed-off woman to make you a sandwich.
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    Image of RandomLunatic RandomLunatic
    11/23/09

    In reply to Nobody Knows What to Do with a Female Teen Killer, Other Than Watch Her Creepy Videos
    Azaria, people have been doing stuff like this with really interesting cases - like this one - for years now, including the crowd-sourcing part of it. The preserving of the "evidence" is nothing new, and it's ridiculously easy to do.

    Neither is the level of psycho this kid shows. A Google search for ya - Sarah Kolb was at this game years ago:

    [www.google.com]
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    Image of Matt Cherette Matt Cherette
    11/23/09

    In reply to Nobody Knows What to Do with a Female Teen Killer, Other Than Watch Her Creepy Videos
    I wish I hadn't watched that video. Not that there was anything graphic about it, but it was just... creepy.
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    11/20/09

    In reply to Confessed Teen Killer's Social Networking Hobbies: 'Killing People'
    [www.truecrimereport.com]

    "Update: Following a two-day search, Elizabeth's body has been found. Police have a juvenile person of interest in custody have haven't released his name. All they'll say is that he knew Elizabeth, lived not far away, and was older than the girl. "

    "His"/"he" .. so sexist and judgmental, the press! :p
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    11/20/09

    @lobstr: Don't tell Jezebel.
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    11/20/09

    In reply to Confessed Teen Killer's Social Networking Hobbies: 'Killing People'
    Things just happen in Misery, United States
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    Image of PontiusPirate PontiusPirate
    11/20/09

    In reply to Confessed Teen Killer's Social Networking Hobbies: 'Killing People'
    Anytime I see a story like this, I think of the song "Westfall" -

    "Now, with all these cameras focused on my face,
    you'd think they could see it through my skin.
    They're looking for evil, thinking they can trace it,
    but evil don’t look like anything."
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    11/20/09

    In reply to Confessed Teen Killer's Social Networking Hobbies: 'Killing People'
    I don't think that believing she should be tried as a juvenile is an "excuse" for her actions, which are obviously evil. And she might be irredeemably evil, too.

    But has anyone ever seen the movie Heavenly Creatures or know the true story it's based on? In it, two young teenagers kill one of their mothers. Now, one of those girls is a successful and seemingly normal crime novelist. Another is a nun.

    This story makes me sick, but it's impossible to know if this girl could be rehabilitated. She might be a psychopath for the rest of her life. Or she might change.
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    11/20/09

    @eatsshootsleaves: And the mother is still dead.

    Sorry, but prison is not just for rehabilitation. It is also for punishment.
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    Image of harvey_birdman harvey_birdman
    11/20/09

    @OMG! Ponies!: Children should not be punished, they should be given every effort to rehabilitate.
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    11/20/09

    @harvey_birdman: First, your proposition assumes that children are children and adults are adults and never the 'twain shall meet. A 16 year-old is far more capable of moral responsibility than a 6 year-old. To treat them the same is quite literally paternalistic.

    Second, children are regularly punished. It is part of child-rearing. Misbehavior is met with punishment; this is how social mores are developed.

    Third, the punishment should fit the crime. While I don't believe that a 16 year-old should serve 15 years for selling crack cocaine (partially because I feel that drug sentences in general are overly harsh), for the crime of matricide - the killing of one's on mother - through bludgeoning someone to death with a rock, the person who commits such a heinous crime should be punished, even if she is 27 months younger than the age of majority.

    The legal age of majority is an arbitrary number, evidenced by the fact that 16 is old enough to be entrusted to drive a 2,000 lb. vehicle, 18 is old enough to be conscripted into military service and used to be old enough to smoke and drink, yet, until a quarter century ago, suffrage belonged to those at least 21 years of age. Now, 18 is old enough to vote but you need to be 21 to drink or smoke.

    Before you can make an assertion like yours, you must first answer "Who is a child? Are a children equal children? Should any child ever be punished?"

    #tips
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    11/20/09

    In reply to Confessed Teen Killer's Social Networking Hobbies: 'Killing People'
    This girl is a borderline (self-harm), possibly even a psychopath (allegedly killing for the heck of it). The depression she's experienced has probably come from having no true inner emotional life. Both borderlines (who can sometimes be helped) and psychopaths (who can't) experience depression. For one it is often due to unstable relationships and a sense of self, for the other it can be due to their inability to ever really connect to another person, because they have no empathy.

    This also reminds me why I no longer want to write about this stuff after 5 years of doing it professionally. After a while, teen killers - hell, killers in general - all seem to fit the same templates. And yes, it's incredibly depressing.

    It's a good thing they are trying her as an adult. The only good place for this kid, sadly, is probably jail. And unless the depression overtakes her and she succeeds at suicide, she'll continue to run game on the people around her in there, too.
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    Image of Miss_Teacher Miss_Teacher
    11/20/09

    @RandomLunatic: Agreed. I know that certain things aren't generally diagnosed in children because they aren't fully developed yet but once in a while there are some evil ones... This little girl may be one of them. Her and Patrick Bateman from "American Psycho". There really may not be a way to rehabilitate her and she'll probably continue to hurt herself and others.
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    11/20/09

    @Miss_Teacher: (Spoiler alert: Please do not read this comment if you have not yet read American Psycho or watched the film version.)

    You realize that the fictional character Patrick Bateman was a serial killer only in his own mind, don't you? He never actually comits any of the murders--they're just deranged fantasies.

    Although his motives parallel those of this all-too-real teen killer: For Bateman, too, the fantasy of killing people was the only way he could summon any sort of passion, ie, "feel something." That's how I always interpreted the book, anyway.
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    11/20/09

    @snugbug: I know he's fictional and that his behavior was fanatsy. Just making a point about the similarities in the 2 personalities... and the fact that while he may be fake there are in fact real people (some children) that definitely act out the same way.
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    11/20/09

    In reply to Confessed Teen Killer's Social Networking Hobbies: 'Killing People'
    Maybe I'm overly influenced by all of the false confession literature I've read, but something seems fishy about this story. The AP story makes a point to show that the police have withheld all corroborating evidence besides this online profile. Assuming there is little or no corroborating evidence, the story about digging the graves seems exactly like the kind of fantastical confessions innocent people can be influenced into giving. I wish there were a way to read the indictment to find out more.
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    Image of Han Valen Han Valen
    11/20/09

    @Z und Vielpunkt's chick: Right, because cops love to pin child murders on teen girls. Wake up.
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    11/20/09

    @Han Valen: You'd be surprised.

    @KentuckyBabe: Ah, I glossed over that paragraph. That's the kind of corroborating evidence I was talking about.

    I went to an Innocence Project function this weekend, and obviously I'm still in the mood.
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    11/20/09

    In reply to Confessed Teen Killer's Social Networking Hobbies: 'Killing People'
    Dailene, eh?

    My good southern mama will argue that a middle name is how you can separate the serial killers from the rest of us; she advised me to never go out with anyone whose middle name was Dean, Dale, or Wayne.

    Dailene. Girl never had a chance.
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    11/20/09

    @hatey: Earl and Ray aren't promising either.
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    Image of raincoaster raincoaster
    11/20/09

    In reply to Confessed Teen Killer's Social Networking Hobbies: 'Killing People'
    [en.wikipedia.org]
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