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Carol Gardens
11/01/08

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By the way, I really DID think this was another Judd Apatow movie when I saw the commercial. Not just because of Seth Rogan, but it has the formula: Schlub everyman with hot blond chick, promise of raunchy humor, promise of hot blond chick turning out to be really nice and down-to-earth, etc.
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Phyllis Nefler
11/01/08

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(shrugs)

I think I'll go watch Mallrats now. That kid is back on the escalator!
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boobaloob
11/01/08

@Phyllis Nefler: That is Smith's best movie.
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Phyllis Nefler
11/01/08

@boobaloob: Totes.
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GuyBitchy
11/01/08

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Clerks magical? Maybe if you're eleven, on the dim side, and have never been allowed to see moving pictures before...

Maybe.
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bjonston
11/01/08

@GuyBitchy: Yeah. Clerks introduced me to the concept of "the totally overrated" movie. The hype was so not justified. And I saw it years after it came out. It sucked. And I agree with whoever said the dialogue is pathetic. But Jay and Silent Bob do have a special place in my heart. As crappy as the dialogue is in the rest of his movies, the exchanges involving Jay and Silent Bob just crack me up.
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maevemealone
11/01/08

@GuyBitchy: @bjonston: It's a boy movie. I thought it was a piece of crap.
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92BuickLeSabre
11/01/08

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If Kevin Smith and Scott Mosier would just make short indy films for IFC or HBO based on the scenes and hypotheticals they spin out on SModcast and if Apatow and Rogan just stopped making moviews altogether, then all of these problems would be solved.

But not Paul Rudd. I like Paul Rudd.
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SinisterRouge
11/01/08

@92BuickLeSabre: Yes. Paul Rudd rules. I can never say that enough.
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Wrapitup
11/01/08

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What is it with awkward, unattractive and misogynist douchebaggy men that they make movie after movie with hot white girls getting humiliated and defiled in one way or another?

Kevin Smith, you're not fifteen any more. Your audience has aged with you. You're overreaching and it shows. And put down the comic books and quit taking nudie pics of your wife with other men for national magazines. You're a weird creep. And you have a daughter. And get out of those manpris.

Judd Apatow, we get it. Sex is hilarious and a lot of chicks are superficial and don't fully comprehend the total awesomeness of luminaries like Seth Rogen and Jonah Hill. Now please stop casting your shiksa wife in every movie you make (yes, yes, she's gorgeous and she married you for love, not money) and enough with using nudity to shock rather than titillate.

And get Paul Rudd to do a nudie scene, you moron.

And to the other actors, lose twenty pounds. Yes, seriously. Many of you are quite unattractive. And if the women in your movies have to be shapely and gorgeous, then so must you. Enough with the 'regular guy' bullshit. Most regular guys aren't half as pathetic and badly groomed as most of you are.

This is what happens when nerdy straight guys get too much power.
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SinisterRouge
11/01/08

@Wrapitup: For reals. My regular man is way hotter than any of the schlubs. Except Paul Rudd is hot and way cute. Love him.
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gouldrush
11/01/08

@SinisterRouge: What's your point? Wrapitup says that they should lose 20 lbs. if the girls in their movies are hot. Sorry, but women like to complain about double standards. Yes, they exist, and they should be eliminated. But no one every wants to talk about how women just have to be cute (and there's a lot of room to play with re: that definition), whereas men have to be cute and have money. Because the unfortunate reality is, while the avg. Gawker girl is ridiculously sharp and all, the avg. woman is not, and most men don't care as long as she's generally pleasant, and, oh yeah, cute. Guys get plenty of objectification thrown their way at all. What percentage of men in commercials are bald? Why does every actor in Hollywood have hair and a waxed chest? Shit is fucked all across the board, for nearly everyone.
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bjonston
11/01/08

@gouldrush: Maybe. But the ladies definitely got the short end of the stick.
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SinisterRouge
11/01/08

@gouldrush: Why did you get all upset for? My only point was that my hubby and Paul Rudd are cute while Seth Rogen is not. ;)

Oh and I've liked plenty of schlubby (and poor) boys in my day who wouldn't give me the time of day because I wasn't "cute" enough for them. Those fucking nerds were always pining over the hot girls that would never go out with them.

So pardon me if I have no sympathy for your claim of men being "objectified" in Hollywood.
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gouldrush
11/01/08

@SinisterRouge: Your posts on both Jezebel and this site are often shitty, maybe that had something to do with it.
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Carol Gardens
11/01/08

@Wrapitup: Paul Rudd nude scene. Here here!
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the_perks_of_being_a_wallflower
11/02/08

@Wrapitup: I LOVE YOU!
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SinisterRouge
11/02/08

@gouldrush: Hee.
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MissNormaDesmond
11/02/08

@gouldrush: When you go from a proclamation by a male studio head that bans women as leads to trying to proclaim that men have things just as bad as women do, you don't serve your own point very well.
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Wrapitup
11/02/08

@the_perks_of_being_a_wallflowe...:Together

we'll rebuild Hollywood :)

@apocalypse-nowish: Right, just forget all about Mr Show like everybody else. Assholes.

@Carol Gardens: @SinisterRouge: We could start a petition drive.
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Spirit Fingers
11/01/08

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I can admit to being a loyal Smith fan, when he gets it right, and when he gets it very, very wrong. (see: Jersey Girl, but I don't like him in the Appatow milieu. Smith has a grittiness that just doesn't ring true in the Appatow world, so I'm not really enthused about this latest offering. I think there's room for both Smith and Appatow. I don't need a fusing of the two.

Also, how sad is it that Affleck's best work to date, in my opinion, is still Chasing Amy?
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maevemealone
11/01/08

@Spirit Fingers: I've decided Affleck is better behind the camera and should just run with that.
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BookishLookish
11/01/08

@maevemealone: Ben Affleck is a poor man's Earl Holliman and always will be.
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Spirit Fingers
11/01/08

@maevemealone: @BookishLookish: He has been a disappointment. I blame J. Lo. of course.
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maevemealone
11/01/08

@BookishLookish: boy you dug deep for that one, but that chin!

@Spirit Fingers: He shouldn't be this bad right? He's not unlikable and yet he's become unwatchable. I am still astounded that he made Gone Baby Gone, but that's why I say he should stay there. He's good at writing/directing and it helps remind us he's not stupid, just good looking.
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homoviper
11/01/08

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I know I'm in the minority here, but I just don't find Seth Rogen all that appealing.
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iBurgle and contentment advisory
11/01/08

@eXXX: seconded.
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maevemealone
11/01/08

@eXXX: It's becoming a majority. I found him creepy and off putting in Knocked Up and not very funny.
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homoviper
11/01/08

@iBurgle and contentment advisory: @Morales_Verguenza: @maevemealone: Oh good I'm not alone. Yeah I just don't think he's all that talented, and he calls to mind the double standard that a male entertainer can be kind of fat and schlubby and that's fine but female entertainers must be thin and beautiful.
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boobaloob
11/01/08

@eXXX: I used to like him, but no more. Ever since he got into the movie business I've wanted to punch him in the face. He was great in Freaks & Geeks and Undeclared, but now I find him insufferable. And eXXX, I *totally* agree with you about him being representative of the double standard in Hollywood re: physical attractiveness in men vs. women.
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Carol Gardens
11/01/08

@boobaloob: LOVED him in Freaks and Geeks. I really do think he's funny, but best as a spice in the stew. He's great wry counterpoint, but I get tired of him in the lead.
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ElleL
11/01/08

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We're going to see this tonight, and I hope it doesnt suck. Or represent Pittsburgh badly. (What up home town!)
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SinisterRouge
11/01/08

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Problem is that Judd Apatow has talent (whether you like his movies or not he is talented) while Kevin Smith stepped in shit with Clerks and has made absolute ofal ever since. He's so fucking bad
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eatsshootsleaves
11/01/08

@SinisterRouge: Meh, I'm not a huge fan of Clerks, but I have to admit that Dogma amuses me every time I see it, if only for the sheer balls of the thing.
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SinisterRouge
11/01/08

@eatsshootsleaves: I was all in for that movie and then the Shit Demon. WTF? Stupid, gross and it makes no sense. He's so obsessed with gayness too. In a bad way.
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eatsshootsleaves
11/01/08

@SinisterRouge: That's a small part of the movie, though. You're right, that whole thing is pretty stupid, but the movie as a whole is pretty enjoyable and surprisingly good satire, in my opinion.
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SinisterRouge
11/01/08

@eatsshootsleaves: I liked very very little of it. I "got" it or whatever but meh. I don't think he's very good at all.
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JeanBrodie
11/01/08

@SinisterRouge: I have to say that I disagree with your police work there, Norm. Smith might be lousy behind the camera, but his dialogue is clever, often very smart, and better than most of the the stuff out there, even if the movies themselves are rather stupid. Just with that he'd be content with being Kevin Smith and not try to capture the blockbuster audience, whether it be with Zack and Miri or Jersey Girl.
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GuyBitchy
11/01/08

@SinisterRouge: Thank you, yes. Absolutely. Rarely has such unbearably awful hackdom been allowed to stink up the barn for so long.
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SinisterRouge
11/01/08

@JeanBrodie: Meh. I disagree. Making joke after joke in Chasing Amy about homosexuality isn't clever. It's dumb. IMHO, of course!
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