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raincoaster — Fri, 16 May 2008 04:30:10 EDT

One execution, 105 comments? What a bunch of softies! U gots to cull the herd (says raincoaster mk 6).

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Hez — Fri, 16 May 2008 01:52:40 EDT

@Rooo sez BISH PLZ: I liked the Freud painting, this post, and Sheila's slaphappiness in general. I don't get it... am I in trouble here for something?

Hez

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Rooo sez BISH PLZ — Fri, 16 May 2008 00:42:28 EDT

@Hez: "People get killed for talking smack about contemporary art on Gawker? "

You know there's more here than the literal interpretation of that sentence. You know that the figurative is of import. You know that parallels and analogies are the swords of the literate in their war against idiocy. You of all people know there's more to the world than what the eye can see (and the nose can smell).

Ooopennn your mind. Use the force, young Skyywalker.

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Hez — Thu, 15 May 2008 23:38:16 EDT

People get killed for talking smack about contemporary art on Gawker? Damn, I missed a fun day. May the blood of the infidels choke the streets! Go Sheila!

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GeorgeBabbitt — Thu, 15 May 2008 22:12:37 EDT

@Unfun: That's why you need to work at home (even) more often.

For some reason, when scroll_lock mentioned hair pulling I conjured up an image of you two yanking out tufts of each other's hair. It put me off lesbianism for 10, maybe 15 minutes. But "you're so hot I can't control myself, I need you NOW, get over here" brought me right back into the zone. Thank you for that. BTW, does Virus approve of your quoting from his e-mails in your comments?

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Unfun — Thu, 15 May 2008 21:00:03 EDT

@GeorgeBabbitt: I was developing the fantasy whilst at work, and got an attack of the guilties. Imagine the shame my parents would feel if I got fired for writing kinky office fantasies on blogs and destroyed my illustrious legal career.

If you've done it why did you think it sounded painful? You dirty boy.

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GeorgeBabbitt — Thu, 15 May 2008 19:32:33 EDT

@GeorgeBabbitt: Pardon me, that should have been @Unfun. She's got me all hot and bothered.

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GeorgeBabbitt — Thu, 15 May 2008 19:30:36 EDT

Now that you put it that way, yes, I get it. I've certainly done it, and no scalp tissue was damaged. Works nicely in conjunction with deep kissing. In the absence of our bloginablogs, please feel free to develop your office fantasy here. I promise some if not all of us will be very supportive. Where's scroll_lock?

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Sargasm — Thu, 15 May 2008 19:05:18 EDT

@MisterHippity: I took flute lessons from Hugh Downs' brother!

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Unfun — Thu, 15 May 2008 18:26:43 EDT

@GeorgeBabbitt: Yes, let's continue this. Hair-pulling. Hair-pulling can be a very good thing. We're not talking a yank, but a passionate tug, a firm grasp, in a "you're so hot I can't control myself, I need you NOW, get over here" way, is hot. I can work this into the office fantasy too.

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GeorgeBabbitt — Thu, 15 May 2008 17:47:56 EDT

@scroll_lock: That sounds painful, and not in a good way. But I don't know all of Unfun's quirks, so maybe it'll work.

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scroll_lock — Thu, 15 May 2008 16:55:18 EDT

@Unfun: Only for a few years. I'm sure I'll get over it.
@GeorgeBabbitt: Yes, but she forgot to mention hair-pulling. Crucial.

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GeorgeBabbitt — Thu, 15 May 2008 16:39:41 EDT

@Unfun: That's good, baby, that's really, really good. Just keep that up for another minute…

Sorry! Got a bit distracted there. I'm glad I wasn't planning on doing any more work today.

@scroll_lock: She's just awful, isn't she? Well, she did invite you to spank her, you know.

@VirusWithShoes: The prospect of previewing your comments is simply too daunting.

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Unfun — Thu, 15 May 2008 16:37:30 EDT

@VirusWithShoes: What can I do to tempt you to try?

@scroll_lock: I sincerely hope you are not traumatized by that incident, as it will make me feel worse for masturbating to it later.

Hey, I'm straight too, but it's almost Friday. That makes no sense whatsoever but I'm going with it.

Unfun

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scroll_lock — Thu, 15 May 2008 15:59:03 EDT

@GeorgeBabbitt: Oh George, she's trying to get me in a sapphic snarl, the minx! And I'm a straight! She's going all supergoddess.

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scroll_lock — Thu, 15 May 2008 15:50:47 EDT

@VirusWithShoes: Just the smile and the pinwheel hat.

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scroll_lock — Thu, 15 May 2008 15:48:46 EDT

@Unfun: No, it's not wrong because it's a great visual. One pulled me down on his lap, too.

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VirusWithShoes — Thu, 15 May 2008 15:37:57 EDT

@scroll_lock: @Unfun: The only thing I strap on these days is a fucking smile.

And why does Firefox slow to a crawl whenever I chose the option to preview my comment?

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Unfun — Thu, 15 May 2008 15:33:28 EDT

@scroll_lock: "Listen, if you only knew how many bosses I've had BOTH male and female who've chased me around the desk trying to schtupp me!" Is it wrong that I got aroused by that? I'm such a bad fucking feminist. Spank me. @GeorgeBabbitt: Is that better?

Unfun

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GeorgeBabbitt — Thu, 15 May 2008 15:14:37 EDT

@Lycosidae: While we're at it, can we throw "synergy" under a bus too?

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GeorgeBabbitt — Thu, 15 May 2008 15:04:15 EDT

@scroll_lock: Yes, but they were all good. Now let's stop wasting time and get back to your lady love for Unfun, shall we?

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scroll_lock — Thu, 15 May 2008 14:36:08 EDT

The submit button's wonky. I may have just responded 83 times.

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scroll_lock — Thu, 15 May 2008 14:32:05 EDT

@SW-2: You got my reference! I'm swooning!

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SW-2 — Thu, 15 May 2008 14:21:21 EDT

@scroll_lock: scroll_lock is Woody Allen??

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scroll_lock — Thu, 15 May 2008 14:18:02 EDT

@Unfun: Virus in clown face mit strap-on eating a hamburger.

The artist picture I hate is that young guy with manboobs in a hat and cape on the beach.

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MyCubeHas3Sides — Thu, 15 May 2008 14:16:41 EDT

@The Real JR: @ *quietly walks away from The Real JR, well at least an ax-length distance, making eye contact with no one*

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Lycosidae — Thu, 15 May 2008 14:10:50 EDT

@GeorgeBabbitt: I say we take the bull by the horns and eliminate proactivity and its ilk as well.

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Unfun — Thu, 15 May 2008 14:04:24 EDT

@scroll_lock: Do you want pics of the strap-on, or Virus? Or Virus with a strap-on? I may need some time for that one...

Is anyone else seeing that completely terrifying image of the Gawker Artist with the clown face eating a hamburger? Totally unnecessary. Killed my Virus/Strap-on lady boners.

Unfun

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Mr. Kim Gordons Panties — Thu, 15 May 2008 14:00:47 EDT

@artynimue1: I was merely pointing out the sincerity of my previous statement. No, really.

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scroll_lock — Thu, 15 May 2008 13:47:03 EDT

@Unfun: Pics or it didn't happen!

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Unfun — Thu, 15 May 2008 13:43:06 EDT

@debord at work: What?! My whole identity on this thing is premised on being as horny and feminized as possible, to shatter stereotypes about women not being as perverted as men and to kill my office boredom (see below). I'm failing!

@scroll_lock: There's always strap-ons. If Virus is a woman, he has a lot of explaining to do about those photos...

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scroll_lock — Thu, 15 May 2008 13:36:58 EDT

@Unfun: What's even more tragic is that I almost became an attorney so we could have been perverted jurists together. Listen, if you only knew how many bosses I've had BOTH male and female who've chased me around the desk trying to schtupp me!
I've sent my clip-on beard to the cleaners so that won't be any use at this point. Ok, we can be girlfriends who wish they had the right equipment to be so much more.

Now, if you find out VirusWithShoes is a woman, we'll have to sedate you.

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BinkysDream — Thu, 15 May 2008 13:32:55 EDT

@Jack Ketch: What about instances of run-on sentences and the inability to not capitalize? Maybe that's a Millenial thing I'm just not getting.

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GeorgeBabbitt — Thu, 15 May 2008 13:32:17 EDT

@Lycosidae: It wasn't terribly likely that we'd see much of "problematize" either,
but I'm just trying to do my bit and be proactive. (Ooh, can we make that
verboten as well?)

GeorgeBabbitt

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debord at work — Thu, 15 May 2008 13:24:43 EDT

@Unfun: i always thought you were a guy!

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Unfun — Thu, 15 May 2008 13:02:52 EDT

@scroll_lock: But I wanted to schtupp you! And I thought you were the perfect man, hilarious and perverted. I guess girlfriends is ok too, if we can flirt a little.

Unfun

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Elektra — Thu, 15 May 2008 13:01:16 EDT

Between the fat-fat-fatty nonsense on the Lucian Freud thread and the simpleminded I'm-not-an-anti-semite-I-just-play-one-o... spewings in the last Obama thread, this place really seemed to be hitting a low of philistine lack of sophistication. Is this the same place where West Virginia was being hung out to dry the other day?

Thank you, Mr. and Mrs. Ketch.

Oh. And. Um. Aren't your blades shiny and lovely today! Really quite beautiful. They bring out your eyes.

Elektra

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artynimue1 — Thu, 15 May 2008 13:00:11 EDT

@KimGordonsPanties: Who said anything about being unattractive? "Over-educated suburban housewives" can be as attractive as the under-educated variety, as can people with less-than-straight faces.

I know some extremely attractive people who have very curved faces.

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Lycosidae — Thu, 15 May 2008 12:52:13 EDT

@GeorgeBabbitt: I don't think we're going to get that word showing up very much here, unless it relates to prioritizing the multislacking.

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GeorgeBabbitt — Thu, 15 May 2008 12:39:13 EDT

@AndSheSaid: @Jack Ketch: How about prioritize? Can we anathemize prioritize?

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Mr. Kim Gordons Panties — Thu, 15 May 2008 12:34:41 EDT

@artynimue1: Actually, no. I am very attractive.

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debord at work — Thu, 15 May 2008 12:24:19 EDT

@SlickaNicka: i mostly agree... while submitting that gawker, in its very essence as a mirror to twisted popular and media culture, is largely tasteless. so there's a slipperly slope there, and it's interesting to see how the editors necessarily distance themselves while being completely imbricated (i think this is just the plight of the creative underclass in general... but g. editors have to deal with it publicly and then their blogs get book deals). drawing a hard & fast line in the sand is a little ridiculous though(A.H.B.P.), because we're all in this stupid sandbox together, pissing and tragically laughing.

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jackvinyl — Thu, 15 May 2008 12:24:09 EDT

@artynimue1: What are you saying? You don't like the Pixies?

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artynimue1 — Thu, 15 May 2008 12:21:39 EDT

@KimGordonsPanties: This is actually pretty funny, and I assume it's made with a less-than-straight face.

It sounds like it came from a museum tour full of over-educated suburban housewives, out for some cocktail party culture.

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SlickaNicka — Thu, 15 May 2008 12:04:03 EDT

I think this post was a test of a self-control, like Lot's wife and the pillar of salt. Some found the fat comments just too tempting...

In my mind, though, there is a clear distinction between commenting on the appearance of an artwork (and its model) and random, ugly, and un-called for comments about people's appearances on unrelated topics. I.e., calling the Dartmouth professor ugly and throwing around Down's Syndrome comparisons are downright nasty and despicable, but commenting on the subject of an artwork seems to be within the legitimate realm of discussion, based on the visual nature of the medium.

I am of 2 minds on this situation:

1. Obviously, the artist himself intended to use the physicality of his subject to provoke or interest the viewer, and perhaps make a point. Perhaps Freud's point is, "Everyone is beautiful." Perhaps his point is, "I can render beautiful even what most of society is repelled by." However you view it, the artist selected his subject and rendered her in such a way to provoke thought and discussion.

In not allowing us to discuss the physical appearance of the subject, we were prevented from fully analyzing the effect of the painting. Gawker could have just as easily posted a black square and said, "beneath this square is a painting that sold for 33 million, the highest for any living artist, discuss" or posted the piece without any comments allowed at all. Open discussion was hampered by the restrictions in much the same way.

2. HOWEVER, I can see how Gawker wouldn't want the discussion to go the route of: "fatties are gross! Euuwww! Blech!" That type of comment is not helpful or enlightening, and I could easily see the discussion sliding down the drain in that direction.

But isn't there some middle ground? Such as, tasteless (as arbitrated by Sheila and Ketch) or gratuitous fat comments are out? Thoughtful or particularly witty comments are in?

And if I get executed for saying this, its been nice knowing you guys!

SlickaNicka

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Mr. Kim Gordons Panties — Thu, 15 May 2008 11:44:43 EDT

This discussion is making me extremely happy for three reasons:
1) It's always nice to have Pixies songs stuck in yr head
2) This is a beautiful painting, not despite its subject but precisely because of its subject
3) It is nice that we (and by "we" I mean "me" plus you guys) thin, attractive people are nice enough not to mock the differently proportioned, who also deserve love

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Itsjustcatnip — Thu, 15 May 2008 11:44:08 EDT

If tattoos and piercings mean you're easy, what does taking the bait and still making rude comments mean?

@The Real JR: It's really easy to say "oh they can lose weight", but this ability varies alot between people. (The ability to lose weight easily or with difficulty.)
Also habits are a bitch, but our culture is very hypocritical on this issue.

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jackvinyl — Thu, 15 May 2008 11:44:07 EDT

@The Real JR: Yucko rationale here JR but I guess I can relate, I have an aversion to the overly glib.

Me and Tom Cruise share that trait, we're glibbists (or something)...

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MisterHippity — Thu, 15 May 2008 11:33:24 EDT

@MisterHippity: Jesus, it's amazing what you can turn up on the web these days. I just discovered this passage in Wikipedia's "Monkey Gone to Heaven" entry:

"Arthur Fiacco, a cellist, arrived at the Carriage House [recording studio] first. He was dressed in formal black and white attire, having traveled from an afternoon concert. Fiacco was surprised to find there were no scores written for the musicians to play; he then wrote a part based on riffs Francis had shown him.[8] The violinists, Corinne Metter and Karen Karlsrud, also followed the directions of Francis and Norton. Another cellist, Ann Rorich, credited on the album and single, was sent home; according to Fiacco he doubled her parts.[9]"

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scroll_lock — Thu, 15 May 2008 11:32:25 EDT

I'm so anti-fat-comment I didn't even call the portrait phat which is what I would've but didn't but perhaps could retroactively.

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debord at work — Thu, 15 May 2008 11:31:39 EDT

@AndSheSaid: it must be nice to live a life without shadows.

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SheWalkedWithAZombie — Thu, 15 May 2008 11:29:32 EDT

@Jack Ketch: You have my full support on the problematize problem sir and I suggest that you consider those who use "problematic" as well.

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scroll_lock — Thu, 15 May 2008 11:25:05 EDT

@MisterHippity: I played the cello in the marching band.

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scroll_lock — Thu, 15 May 2008 11:21:23 EDT

@IndianSlipper: Cut out the blubber sandwiches with Crisco chasers and the libbs will melt right off!

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MisterHippity — Thu, 15 May 2008 11:20:31 EDT

@KimGordonsPanties: @MostlyHarmless: @Sargasm: @belltolls: @FitnessMadeSimple: @Clarence Rosario: @kielbasasausage: @FitnessMadeSimple:
When I was a kid I took cello lessons from the guy who played the cello on that song (Arthur Fiacco).

And no, despite the lessons, I never got any good at the cello. But it least they gave me an interesting factoid to share with you all.

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Lycosidae — Thu, 15 May 2008 11:19:32 EDT

@The Real JR: Am I reading too much into your comment there to suppose that you may be presupposing, just a little teensy bit and maybe unconsciously, that there are "right" sexes and races to be?

(We can only get in trouble for using the "p-" word, not actually practicing it, right, Mr. Ketch? Say, that's a lovely hood you're wearing, Mr. Ketch, sir.)

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debord at work — Thu, 15 May 2008 11:19:01 EDT

@Bell County: i've actually published on d&g! 1000plateaus4life!

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IndianSlipper — Thu, 15 May 2008 11:18:26 EDT

@The Real JR: Thanks for the reminder that I can (and need to) lose the extra 15 pounds.

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debord at work — Thu, 15 May 2008 11:17:53 EDT

@The Real JR: @CodePink: sort of as an addendum to my previous typo-ridden comment - i feel like gawker is important societally (to the people who come here) because it's an equalizer. because it's okay to look at a famous artist as an aspiring artist who's working a soul-shackling day job in publishing and say "oh yea, he looks a little weird with that forehead." from there you've at least got one up on him, or at least you have something in common, you know? I'm not saying that I think the majority of these comments are classy, and i understand that the Gawker editors - feeling more implicated in the nastiness than anonymous commenters - are anxious to bring the level of discourse up a notch... but this has always been a place where idols are dethroned and normalized.

by banning someone for making off color remarks about physical appearance (when they feed into the general discourse, NOT when they're written with ill intent), the editors are feeding into the dark place within us - collectively - that renounces anything but the beautiful and quotidian PC norm. i realize that there are a lot of counter arguments to this, and that no one wants to spend all their time in the terrible brightness of self-critique (where we are, in a fashion, the media idols we heartlessly pick apart) - but that's what i always thought gawker was about.

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Bell County — Thu, 15 May 2008 11:16:39 EDT

@debord at work: By the way, step carefully or you might deleuze everything.

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scroll_lock — Thu, 15 May 2008 11:14:22 EDT

@BalknChain: Oh, fine. Let Spitzer in the back door but no one else. Fickle.

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ChristieLove — Thu, 15 May 2008 11:12:01 EDT

@debord at work: Freud's just not a flattering painter. Check out his painting of Kate Moss or any other of his nudes - he makes everyone look hideous.

Hate on fat people if you want, but I love Freud's paintings of Sue because he treats her no differently than any other of his sitters.

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BalknChain — Thu, 15 May 2008 11:11:53 EDT

@scroll_lock: I thought you were behind me. Dammit, who's there? Stop knocking on my ass, ya aint coming in.

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scroll_lock — Thu, 15 May 2008 11:08:17 EDT

@BalknChain: Can I hide behind you? (that is not a fat comment, you know I celebrate your huge, um, talent)

Besides, all I said was she looks like Roseanne. In the face, you know? Did you think I meant something else? : )

(if this double posts- sorry, first comment didn't show up and caused me extreme paranoid anxiety)

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Rooo sez BISH PLZ — Thu, 15 May 2008 11:07:35 EDT

@The Real JR: "I don't call it being Fat-tist. I believe it's motivational constructive criticism."

Yeah, well, since the world is so much run based on what YOU believe, I'm so relieved we're not the droids you're looking for.

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mitchel_stevens — Thu, 15 May 2008 11:04:45 EDT

@Jack Ketch:
what about if one is unable to get the Pokemon theme song out of their head every time they see your name.

or if one continues to push the catchphrase of "Gotta Ketch'Em All" ?

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SarahHeartburn — Thu, 15 May 2008 11:04:41 EDT

@The Real JR: I see your point. But I think the shock of the flesh is what the painting is all about (and much of Freud's work). And I worry about the trivialization of the fat problem. But it's a complicated issue (the morbidly obese aren't just like the merely rumpy - chubby your's truly here included). But it's a human experience, and a human being, not an ad for Pringles.

I don't know if that made sense, so before y'all jump on me, let's all think a bit.

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scroll_lock — Thu, 15 May 2008 10:59:40 EDT

@Unfun: Oh sure, I've said so many times. I guess I don't give off a girly vibe in comments, though. I've been told people thought I was a gay man. (Which I am, figuratively if not literally.)

After all we've been through can we still have a chaste fondness for one other? And talk about guys and stuff?

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BalknChain — Thu, 15 May 2008 10:57:47 EDT

@Bell County: If Scroll gets the ax I will have to play subway frogger.

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The Real JR — Thu, 15 May 2008 10:53:52 EDT

@debord at work: I agree. Culturally speaking, at first glance I saw a grossly fat person and i instantly went morbidly obese = unattractive.

Of course I didn't comment as such cause that wouldn't be polite. So I guess it's not executing as the thought police but just in regards to the lack of politeness about the matter.

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Unfun — Thu, 15 May 2008 10:53:18 EDT

@scroll_lock: You're a girl? This is blowing my fucking mind.

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FitnessMadeSimple — Thu, 15 May 2008 10:51:09 EDT

@MisterHippity: @Sargasm: Totally in my head too now...except I just keep cycling between "Then the devil is 6, then the devil is 6, then the devil is 6" and "This monkey's gone to heaven, this monkey's gone to heaven."

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The Real JR — Thu, 15 May 2008 10:50:56 EDT

I hate sexism and racism. Why?

You can't help what gender you were born (more or less, I know) and you can't help or change was race you were born into.

But you can lose weight if you're too fat.

I don't call it being Fat-tist. I believe it's motivational constructive criticism.

The Real JR

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TheologicalSong — Thu, 15 May 2008 10:50:49 EDT

how 'bout more executions for body fascism in general? it's kinda tiresome, kinda puerile, kinda pointless. beauty comes in a lot of forms. you wouldn't always know that with this crowd. do we really want to be perpetuating stereotypes? boring.

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Unfun — Thu, 15 May 2008 10:50:49 EDT

@fiveinchtaint: Now you're just fucking with me by being so cute. Stop it immediately.

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kielbasasausage — Thu, 15 May 2008 10:49:51 EDT

@MisterHippity: I'll get mine, too.

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CodePink — Thu, 15 May 2008 10:48:50 EDT

@debord at work: Really really interesting comment. Of course, Sheila was just trying to prevent a bombardment of non-insightful fat hate jokes but because of the subject of the painting, you're right, critique was probably limited as a result.

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Bell County — Thu, 15 May 2008 10:48:00 EDT

@Jack Ketch: Fear of arbitrary death + time = comedy.

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SarahHeartburn — Thu, 15 May 2008 10:47:32 EDT

@MisterHippity: I suspect more executions, from Ketch, are on their way. But Sheila did warn us yesterday that remarks on fat were a slippery slope.

While you're at it Sheila, you might disect the actual Times article for some very creepy anti-fat comments, starting with the blurb under the headline, but before the jump. I and at least one other commenter cited it yesterday.

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Clarence Rosario — Thu, 15 May 2008 10:45:36 EDT

@MisterHippity: Riding a wave of mutilation.

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Jack Ketch — Thu, 15 May 2008 10:44:16 EDT

Sheila is a far kinder arbiter than I.

For instance, I'm considering banning everyone who uses the word "problematize."

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FitnessMadeSimple — Thu, 15 May 2008 10:41:31 EDT

@MisterHippity: Yay Pixies.

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fileunder — Thu, 15 May 2008 10:34:24 EDT

Sheila, I for one, am sorry you had to even warn us.

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belltolls — Thu, 15 May 2008 10:32:54 EDT

@MisterHippity: 6.

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Sargasm — Thu, 15 May 2008 10:32:40 EDT

@MisterHippity: Now it's stuck in my head. Thanks!

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Spirit Fingers — Thu, 15 May 2008 10:32:35 EDT

@LastCallSally: I think we should all just live by the First Rule: There are no rules credo. It's probably safer that way.

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debord at work — Thu, 15 May 2008 10:32:14 EDT

read the (admittedly whatever) threat embedded in the previous post and followed the comments wondering if anyone was going to, in fact, ignore the elephant in the room - METAPHORICALLY.

would it be allowable to acknowledge the painting's place within its cultural context, a aesthetically sick, ouruboros society that literally vilifies fat people? to note that the woman herself, while no doubt beautiful outside of the painting, is hardly lovingly rendered by the artist, whose strokes seem a little angry (and certainly unflattering, from a traditional standpoint)?

the first thing i saw when i looked at this painting was A Fat Person. not mockingly, but just as point of fact. the rapport of the painting (for me), it's value as a non-static piece of art, is all a result of Freud's choice of subject. I think we're supposed to acknowledge that the woman is depicted as fat and ugly - her face is squished to the point of being hidden and even her palette is sort of fecal...

but then we reconsider that she's also beautiful, and maybe we recalibrate (or even problematize) our previously conceived aesthetics and notions of beauty.

the sort of devil-may-care pre-censorship from the original post - while understandable given The Internet - effectively criminalized this yin-yang dialogue instead of problematizing the painting and our obvious reactions to it (culturally and individually).

those are just my thoughts, as this chain of events sort of threw me for a loop.

debord at work

Those Who Do Not Listen Will Be Executed

scroll_lock — Thu, 15 May 2008 10:31:11 EDT

@SW-2: I am touched! (And I mean that in both senses of the word) You made my day!

@Bell County: The body's still twitching.

scroll_lock

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Bell County — Thu, 15 May 2008 10:29:25 EDT

@Mary Mouse: True.

Bell County

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Mary Mouse — Thu, 15 May 2008 10:25:13 EDT

@LastCallSally: Somebody definitely got the chop for making a Banksy/downsy joke the other day.

Mary Mouse

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RocketSurgeon — Thu, 15 May 2008 10:24:22 EDT

@MisterHippity: I also am a Pixies fan.

RocketSurgeon

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LastCallSally — Thu, 15 May 2008 10:23:13 EDT

Just so I get it straight - there is free reign on joking about celebrities who look like they have "a touch of downs syndrome" but fat jokes cross the line. How selectively pc.

LastCallSally