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The Cruise Indoctrination Video Scientology Tried To Suppress

catlucas66 — Sat, 19 Apr 2008 15:33:33 EDT

" If we don't do it no one else will (i.e. help out in society)"???? What the hell is that!!! Why didn't anyone tell me that Jesus Christ, Mohandas Ghandi, Martin Luther King, Jr, and Mother Teresa were Scientologists?

catlucas66

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catlucas66 — Sat, 19 Apr 2008 15:26:01 EDT

Holy crap... this motherfreaker is crazy! He is so self-absorbed is is nauseating. Weeeeeird!

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lenoreandtheravensuite — Fri, 04 Apr 2008 03:12:49 EDT

Oh Tommy,Tom Tom!
You've shattered all of my pubescent wet, wild and crazy thoughts that i have clung to for all these years..... you in your socks singing that hot little number....why'd ya have to spoil it with this crazy, scary shit. I've been defending your honor all these years - to no avail - you need help! Go back to acting -please!

lenoreandtheravensuite

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soul_butterfly — Wed, 02 Apr 2008 12:35:46 EDT

Oh, and like he never romps and plays?...
Oh, but he can't...because "he knows, he knows..."

What does he NOT know?

He is a run-of-the-mill narcissist, albeit one with big bucks, who is part of a mutual-admiration-cult, one with big bucks... that's what he doesn't know.

He also doesn't know shit about the biology of the mind, nor does he even acknowledge the reality of biologically, genetically based mental ills...THAT'S SCARY.

soul_butterfly

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fishwife — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 06:29:48 EDT

Oh how adorable. I bet Katie's REAAAALLY proud.

fishwife

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CheekyMonkey76 — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 14:38:59 EDT

I've never seen someone so talented at saying nothing at all. The key is to sound like you are saying a lot and on a deep level while essentially repeating yourself. Then add a lot of uncomfortable laughter and Voila you have Tom Cruise on Scientology. This man used to be somebody. He used to be a hero, a hottie and women lost themselves over him. Now they look at him like his brain is dribbling out of his ear while lights are flashing on and off inside his head. It's no better for Katie Holmes either who now looks old beyond her years and not in that great sophisticated way but in that sad why are-you-wearing-grandma's-clothes-and-hair kind of way. Does she even know who she is anymore besides Tom Cruise's wife?!?! Alas I don't think she does.

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Lyllydd — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 22:50:46 EDT

Hey, Midge,
smug

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1 : snotty, annoying, whiny
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3 : highly self-satisfied : Tom Cruise

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shabtaizvi — Mon, 10 Mar 2008 05:52:00 EDT

I didn't take in a word of what Cruise was saying; the guitar was the voice.

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quintal — Tue, 04 Mar 2008 20:44:35 EST

He's just exalted. And inspired.
I mean, I know how he feels, I've felt the same many times. You feel that way when you've discovered the pot of gold, or what feels like it.
It is a spiritual thing and that's what cults do : they own you through giving you that spiritual feeling and understanding, then making you believe you need them to keep it. You dont. It's a natural thing.
Besides, the exaltation goes away over time.
He is discovering himself, hence the tension.
Once you've known this stuff for a long time, it just goes in the background.
That's a scary group, but Tom is just being exalted and spiritual. His group is dangerous, he's just a useful idiot.
Somewhat dangerous too though, seeing how he helped brainwashing Katie. Sad.

quintal

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baldhawk — Tue, 04 Mar 2008 06:39:40 EST

@ratava00:

Scientology pursues those it considers its foes with uncanny ferocity, but with the steal of secret agencies. There are hundreds of deaths in its wake, and yarns of strings to peg them to the group. Check out " [www.clambake.org]

That's not to say that Tom Cruise is either aware of such incidents, nor that he in any way participates in them. As a celebrity, he's given services away from the rank and file, in a place called, "Celebrity Center," in Hollywood Boulevard.

Furthermore, when you are inside and an "faithful member" you are discouraged from reading what they call, "entheta" which means stories, news, ideas, which in any way cast a shadow of doubt upon the purity of the church. This is written in several documents which you are presented again and again as you get closer and closer to the inner sanctum. When there, you are usually surrounded by groups of congenial, intelligent people, and have not even an urge to consider that these folks are less than what Tom Cruise sees.

Internally, there are what I can compare to castes of various societies, and each rarely mixes with the other. The seekers, like Tom, are likely to encounter only the irresistible bliss he portrays in this video, which is actually quite appropriate for internal use to reinforce the choir's beliefs.

One is oblivious to there being anything wrong until you are in some way touched by personal disaster; at which point you are isolated from the blissful, and the ordeal begins.

If your state of bliss is similar to Tom's you will be invited to join the Sea Org. This is not unlike Nazi Germany, when the world couldn't understand why Germans appeared so happy within the regime. That was simple. Your life is regulated to the extent that only the reality presented to you is real, and there is nearly no exposure to anything outside the confines of their fortresses. It is very difficult to believe otherwise, or you are terrorized into not daring to oppose the leaders. You study what you are told. You only read what they allow to enter the compound. You work in excess of 16 hours a day, seven days a week, with perhaps an occasional day out, which most usually use to do personal things they have no time to do when inside, and if you still have time, you might want to catch a movie which should end in time to report back to duty, lest you be found AWAL.

You wear their prescribed uniform, and your family is junior in importance to the Org.

You wonder why people are attracted in the first place? In people's eternal quest for self actualization they will seek high and wide, and when something seems to click, they take the hook, and get drawn in.

The idea of being and becoming better is not new to anyone. Only your background can suggest whether you will be attracted to Scientology, or the Moonies, join the Marines to be all that you can be, or support Bush as the anointed Prophet of God on a mission against the infidel. When there are enough of the same type of people around you, it is difficult to believe there is another reality.

The Scientology allure is mystical. Their more attractive mysticism reads like ancient Egyptian books, or like the Vedas, or like Lao Zi's the Tao, or the Kabbala, or the Bible, or Koran's, or the Wuli Masters, and no doubt much of it was taken therefrom, and many others.

A lot of these mystical philosophies directly or indirectly tend to direct you towards the realization that reality is irrevocably subject to your perceptions, and beyond that there is conjecture, or science, or mysticism. It's what attracted me after my personal five years in a Franciscan monastery, exposed to the mystical stories of Saint Francis. I was ripe for the first idea that sounded like it provided a way to reach the heights that Saint Francis reached.

There is nothing wrong with "creating and living your own reality," if it can give you the peace and bliss and wisdom you seek. But most of us seem unable to deny that there are others around us with yet their own realities, and if one is to interface with them, there have to has to be a meeting ground of common reality!

Tom, being a celebrity is not only sheltered when he goes to the church, but surely also in his life as a celebrity and probably hasn't a clue that what he has come to hold as reality, is quite distant from the common ground on the street.

As an actor, he has experienced that he has to create and believe in the character's reality for a scene to come across as genuine. This experience is so profound that it is impossible not to question conventional reality.

That very thirst for the truth is accompanied by the greed of instant requite which allows you to believe that if you are in it, it must be the right way.

Let me end with the discovery of the deception with an interesting anecdote of greed. I was once at a gas station after midnight, and a youth approached me offering me a video player for $100 when the market price was around $700. My greed got the best of me, and even my suspicion didn't save me from walking into the trap, until I had released the money to the con-youth, and at that instance I was overcome with the realization that I had just been had!

That's what happened when I paid for one of the advanced levels offered by the church when I retired in privacy to go through the mystical actions which would liberate me into a higher state, after reading the instructions and starting to do the actions prescribed, I felt a rush of heat and perspiration course through my body from the realization that I had just been had.

It is ironic that the expected end result of the process is an astounding realization, followed by an extraordinary sense of relief, which is in fact what I felt when I realized I had been conned!

The lesson from the Master, be it Hubbard, Jesus, Sun Moon, or Lao Zi was very clear.

Go thee forward and make thyself thine own master.

baldhawk

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Nine9 — Sat, 01 Mar 2008 06:21:15 EST

lol, its always funny if a weird and destructive company tries to suppress truth with the use of courts.
I heard about the video because of this. And I am shocked how much Tom is fanatic about it. He could not even say a single logical sentence about. Just some phrases he probably read.
Scientology is an organisation that has to be taken seriously. They are working with methods of secret services and they try to have power over other people, and they are very effective with it. And the ones that are not following them, they try to destroy.
I will tell my friends about this video.

Nine9

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KarmaChameleon — Thu, 28 Feb 2008 02:17:50 EST

@lurchbyrep: $cientology teaches that your religion (and every other religion besides $cientology) is a lie put in the noncorporeal head of dead space aliens strapped to seats in movie theaters 75 billion years ago. For serious.

Please read [xenu.net] and gain some knowledge on this cult before you start bashing people for calling the Littlest Clam on his batshit.

KarmaChameleon

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Itailangirl — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 08:52:01 EST

I think this is all CRAP! Tom Cruise is trying to get in the pubic eye! This is a cult just like any other. His wife said on the news that she was not happy with this, and I have to agree. Everybody is entitled to follow whatever they choose but being in a famos actor, i believe the founder of this cult is useing these actors to bring in more people to this foundation. Pretty smart on the founder of Scientology dont ya think!

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cassius — Tue, 26 Feb 2008 00:37:04 EST

I watched the whole thing and I still don't know what the fuck he's talking about. What the fuck is IT?

"Get it done?"

Get what done?

I've heard farts that made more sense.

cassius

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minuspa — Sat, 23 Feb 2008 15:24:44 EST

Tom Cruise has lost it as far as I am concerned, but this is only "my" opinion. I never really liked him as an actor, although I have watched a couple of his movies. It seems that actors have more appeal to the public in getting messages across, so for Scientology this is a good advertising campaign for them. However, each one of us has the "right" to chose or not to chose what to believe. Everyone has a choice whether they want to offer their help to strangers or not, and even if we don't, doesn't make us a bad person, as Tom reflects. What Tom Cruise was talking about in this video is obviously his dedication to this cult, yet really not describing it in detail. He was very vague to say the least - talking in unconnected thoughts. He made the statments that some say they are in but aren't. If you are going to get on and talk about something you believe in, talk about it versus hiding behind a mask of knowledge (??)and not making sense; stating just open-ended thoughts that don't connect. If you are going to do a video and have a captaive audience, you want to teach and sell to them, not leave them hanging as to what you are really trying to say or confuse them. Tell people on the video what scientology is all about so they can rationally make up their mind for those who don't know or want to know. It is obvious Scientology is a "cult" and a way of "controlling others" versus really helping others. It is interesting that actor, John Travolta who is also involved in Scientology really doesn't reveal to the public how he feels. Tom Cruise has a constant need to fill his ego as being the best! Someone needs to squash him a little to get him back in touch with reality!

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mOnstr — Sat, 23 Feb 2008 07:50:26 EST

@Eureeka:
ty sir

mOnstr

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mOnstr — Sat, 23 Feb 2008 07:31:59 EST

hmm... i must say not all are truely blessed / cursed, to really know see feel what is real in the human state. as an actor i can imagine in a real world of tradgedy you are not a part of it is easy to feel imasculated or otherwise helpless. We as individuals are hoplessly helpless against the human condition as we all take part in our fatal error, we live imperfect lives. He seems honestly sold on making a difference much as a soldier in a platoon made a difference in WWII. Only difference was the soldier had a clear and present threat to focus on and our inherent human condition is so much more elusive. Well i wish him well and luck, honestly i am a combat veteran and only in such close collision of human trauma and loss do i think anyone can really "know" the sad state of horror we provide ourselves, known as the human condition. . . . I say if you'd like to make a difference then join the peace corps and deliver food to the hungry, or even pass out blankets and bread to those around the corner from you under the bridge.

mOnstr

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felix07 — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 22:59:10 EST

Final count: "We're here to help" (or similar) 7 times
"Either you're in or out" (or sim) 8 times approx
Mention of "it", "them" etc infinite.
The next Shakespeare people.

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brheault — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 18:40:45 EST

You know, Scientology is friggin' batshit like someone else in these comments said, but most of what Cruise talks about in this video isn't that weird. What struck me about is that he's dedicated to action to affect positive change. Now the change he's talking about is again, totally batshit, but the attitude is of someone dedicated, committed and tired of watching the vast majority sit by and allow terrible things to happen in their names. Like he says, "the spectators need to get on the playing field or out of the arena."

To my mind, getting onto the playing field means opposing something like scientology, but the sentiment is accurate as I sit here and see people allow their government to do things that most people oppose; at least if you read opinion polls. If only friggin' idiot that Cruise is would champion something worthwhile and the real popular movements would have a pretty charismatic fighter ;)

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felix07 — Tue, 19 Feb 2008 23:40:51 EST

I know what IT is!
"I do it because if I don't... I can't... I can't live with myself, and that really is IT."
Ergo, "it' is guilt.

I love this: 'I do it the way I do everything. And there's no part of the way from me!' (Slaps thigh, laughs hysterically.) The way he said it just sounded like a threat to me... :D
And I love that frightening cackle he did after saying 'Have you met an SP?' He's like shouting with laughter and making a back-hand clap. Yeah, theyre a hoot, Tom... So creepy. My diagnosis is sociopath.

felix07

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soulcages — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 14:25:50 EST

I can't believe that noone has commented on Cruise's similarity with Bush. They share the same inability to speak ; neither is articulate. Neither seems to have any idea that they don't even know what they are talking about!

Yeah, "you're either with us or against us".

soulcages

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honeypot — Wed, 13 Feb 2008 23:27:17 EST

That ending was the weirdest part...1 billion people introduced to Scientology because of Cruise. Him walking off like into the Matrix and that honor award. Looks like an Amway video.

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whocares...really — Wed, 13 Feb 2008 21:42:56 EST

Can someone please explain to me how the world managed not to spin out of orbit before Scientology?

We still have war and famine and disease. How has Scientology changed anything?

whocares...really

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doe627 — Wed, 13 Feb 2008 05:55:22 EST

I'm glad that Gawker didn't back down when being threatened by CSI. I've gotten so sick of scientologists constantly suing people and backhandedly undermining people to prevent the truth from being spread. I appreciate your steadfastness in continuing to post this video after all this time.

doe627

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one_opinionated_SOB — Mon, 11 Feb 2008 19:37:46 EST

Tom Baby, want two suggestions for another Mission Implausible? 1) Try to get me believe this SHITE. 2) Try completing a coherent sentence.
Unkind regards,
PMM

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Danno007 — Sun, 10 Feb 2008 21:58:51 EST

Having read Viktor Franl's famous book called "Man's Search for Meaning", I can see a guy who believes deeply in a movement he believes is meaningful for him. The scary part of course, is that he has "drunk the koolaid" and is deluded into thinking that his is the "one best way" and that others are lost.- Wait, sounds like some other world religions- lol. And I'm a faithful Roman Catholic, but eschew any belief that some are saved and the rest damned. Let's just hope this bizzare cult-like doctrine espouses the "golden rule". On second thought, I'll pass on having Tommy C stop and help me in an accident. I'll take my chances with the paramedics.

Danno007

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Horatia — Sun, 10 Feb 2008 12:04:48 EST

Cut him some slack? He's Little Napoleon who shoots blanks and he is compensating for his lack of a formal education. Had he passed through a few first year humanties/anthropology/philosophy courses he won't feel the need to flab his silly gums with such babble. Maybe Brook Sheilds should lend him a few of her first year Princeton books.

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fortefortssimo — Sun, 10 Feb 2008 10:37:40 EST

Scientology eh! Perhaps Tommy should spend equal time cruising with KFC as with LRH. That way he could clog his arteries with cholesterol while he clogs his brain with the other gobble-d-gook. Terrifying scenario, this!

fortefortssimo

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cataract — Sun, 10 Feb 2008 07:34:25 EST

ThighHigh - homg, I laughed so hard at your comment about the Super Awesome Friends of Excellence. I totally want to be a memver of the Super Awesome Friends of Excellence :D

And after watching this super awesome tom cruise video of excellence, I was really just wondering if someone might be so kind as to explain to me *what it is exactly that tom and friends are doing* that is helping others?

He keeps saying 'we're helping, you're either in or you're out,' etc etc., yeah okay, but what, *what* is it that you're doing to help? Whom exactly are you helping? How? What?

ps. I take offense to that voodoo comment and actually to everything at any point, ever.

cataract

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Jules9 — Sat, 09 Feb 2008 17:57:49 EST

Rough & Tumble? Wild & wooly? What the hell is he talking about?

Jules9

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hectorsgirl — Sat, 09 Feb 2008 16:46:36 EST

I was working for IRS in Peoria, IL when this travesty calling itself a religion was formed. IRS there naturally tried to stop its designation as a religion and tax free organization. The details of the "doctrine" were laughable. I will say the group has made its presentations more slick, but its still a bunch of hooey. At that time the beginners hooked up to a "tin can" device and got "cleared". I believe it is truly dangerous, unlicensed persons conduction psychoanalysis. The successful people who claim Scientology brought them success could have accomplished the same thing by thinking positively and working hard. There is nothing spiritual about Scientology and only the most naive or the most self serving cons could possibly buy it.

hectorsgirl

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Eureeka — Sat, 09 Feb 2008 14:56:49 EST

I'm sure the troops in Iraq and Afghanistan are still waiting for all of Tom's help. And the women of Dafur are waiting for his help from the janjaweed when they are running for their lives hoping not to be raped or murdered while out looking for firewood. Where's all those solar cooking kits that would save the women of Dafur from going outside the camps to look for firewood in the first place, Tom? That sounds like help to me. Or water irrigation and sanitization kits for rural villages throughout third world countries so they can have clean drinking water and reduce the infant/child/elderly mortality rates due to dysentery and diarrhea?

Since this video was made, what measurable help has Tom made to improve this world?? What world crisises have been improved because of Tom's direct interventions?

Didn't know that Scientology trained them to be paramedics or EMTs so that they were the only ones to assist at the scene of an accident. Stand back people, that's you cops and 1st responders, call the Scientologists 1st, be sure to have the 911 dispatchers to put them on speed dial.

I've had many patients with delusions before but none so pronounced as this. He's carrying the load. He sure is carrying a load, and it's called BS.

I've read all the comments here and been thoroughly entertained. I'm sure there are striking writers lurking here. I haven't laughed so hard in a long time.

To set the record straight, anyone can believe what they want and call it religion. Heck in India, they believe cows and rats are sacred and build temples for them. Get off the video games and watch some National Geographic or Travel Channel and learn something for a change. Here in the good olde USA, we have freedom of religion, so if Tom Cruise wanted to worship a rat or cow, he has the freedom to do so. If we think he's batshit for doing so, that's us exercising our freedom of speech. So stop harrassing others for mentioning our Constitutional rights.

Furthermore, L. Ron Hubbard didn't invent Scientology. He may have been a sci fi writer. But the true "inventer" of Scientology was Mary Baker Eddy in 1879, when she founded the Church of Christ, Scientist, later called Christian Scientist. He may have taken her ideas and re-shaped them into his. Her revolutionary ideas about spirituality and health, she named Christian Science. These ideas are contained in her major work, Science and Health with Key to the Scriptures, was first published in 1875. In 1908, she launched The Christian Science Monitor, which became a leading international newspaper. Do your research, people.

From Eureeka of Eureeka's Castle

Eureeka

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Sav-Ash — Sat, 09 Feb 2008 09:31:56 EST

It seems like Tom Cruise was mumbling his way through the interview and relying on his charisma to earn brownie points. Did he even define anything or answer any questions? If I gave answers/definitions/situational applications like that on my accounting test I'd be getting an "F" no doubt. Did this guy even go to college? If so, how did he manage to pass?

Sav-Ash

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wijgt — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 18:34:01 EST

I'm confused...if I drive up to a burning car on the side of the road do I, a. jump out with a fire extinguisher and put out the roasting family within, or, b.jump out with the extinguisher only after locating a scientologist to hose down these poor unfortunate souls as evidently I, being a member of the scientologically unindoctrined are unqualified to do so? If they would stop screaming I could ask...

I haven't heard anyone babble so long and say so little since the Clinton defense argument on the exact definition of the word "is".

wijgt

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DaddyO969 — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 08:50:23 EST

L Ron was a horrible science fiction writer, when his books couldn't sell, he came up with this nonsense. Sadly,this is the outcome.

What's worse, is that at Headquarters in Clearwater, they actually try to compre Ol Motha to Robert Anson Heinlein, arguably the greatest science fiction author of all time. Notably, AGAINST (psuedo)religious control...

DaddyO969

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bionicmisfit — Wed, 06 Feb 2008 00:35:10 EST

Tom Cruise is just another pretty face on the end of a stick that is marketable by the Glittering Ghetto...I watched this entire vid from cover to cover and the clown didn't make one truly profound comment...just kept chewing his cabbage umpteen times about "helping people"----first of all, he and the rest of scientology racket need to learn that you don't force help on people, you offer it to them. But then why waste time saying all this when people should know that scientology was founded by a cut rate sci-fi scribbler named L Ron Hubbard who once quipped that if you ever want to make a quick million, just start a new religion (i.e. DRUG) well, Tom-boy is obviously clinically hooked and needs deprogramming just like any Moony.

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bbaadd63 — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 23:00:33 EST

I have to say that I have always loved TC, however, I have never loved Scientologist. I have an opportunity to study with them because it is a requirement of employment with them. I was a slave, making slave wages and had their lunatic beliefs thrust upon me. Needless to say I did only momentarily because it was necessary to maintain that job for the fifteen minutes I had it. I love TC's art, but his beliefs are pure idiotic and the rant he made on this video shows you how believing that crap can drive you over the edge. Katie must think she is living with Amin. I feel bad for those children and I really feel ashamed for TC. When I see them (Scientologist) on the street passing out their pamphlets, I not only decline but I tell them: " Not only do I not want it, I cannot believe they have brainwashed you into passing this garbage out. I have read 3 of Hubbards books and each one is crazier than the last. They hook people with basic psycological ideals that most people should know to be true and them fly you to the moon on the stardust they sell. I can not believe how gullable people really are.

bbaadd63

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lurchbyrep — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 08:59:40 EST

I wonder how much knowledge exactly most of the people posting these critiques actually are going off of in their instant evaluations. First of all, this video pretty much said NOTHING. It was full of complete and utter vagueries that don't rightly allow a careful thinker to conclude much of anything on the matter. After the so-called "indoctrination video", I'm left completely ignorant of just what "doctrine" was supposedly expressed. As a Christian myself, I can identify quite easily with being judged as a nutjob or an ignoramous by those who have no idea what the Bible actually teaches. Perhaps instead of immediately taking the podium, the general public should first take a seat in the classroom. I am not in any way saying that I am a supporter of Scientology belief, but if you're going to dismiss a human being (notice the weight of that idea alone), celebrity or invisible, as a lunatic, make sure you actually have a (reasonable) reason for it. The masses are dangerous when they're stupid.

lurchbyrep

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Spectator08 — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 08:11:59 EST

If anyone is still reading this far down the comment thread (and there are some real gems in it for the patient), there is a breakdown and transcript of this video to be seen
[spectator.typepad.com]
It's funny, and yet not funny.

Spectator08

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valkyrye — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 05:00:11 EST

OH! I was distracted for a moment...but ultimately I can wander away from all this fairly amused by the thought of how much money he has flung at this cult... the one he is so feverishly in love with. It sickens me that the group profits but I think it's hilarious how damaged he is.
If we ran into someone who acted like that on the street we would think they were crazy... or on something so what's holding us back here? freaks can be easy on the eyes too.

valkyrye

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valkyrye — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 04:53:17 EST

@Trixie from Toronto:

Come on.... of course he's gay look, he's wearing a black turtleneck.
(of course I'm kidding, gay people have better fashion sense.)

valkyrye

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Spectator08 — Mon, 04 Feb 2008 16:56:16 EST

The only thing I can hope is that the choice of theme is not ironic.

Spectator08

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GypsySlide — Mon, 04 Feb 2008 15:32:47 EST

That is the biggest load of shit I have seen in a long-time. If Scientology can really work this kind of magic, then how come it's embraced by so few and loathed by so many. Where is the proof? Where is the documented evidence that these methods really work? Oh, whoops, there is none... because if we tell everyone that we believe in Xenu and that we are the descendants of thetans, that is a sure-fire way to suppress positivity towards the (not church) "Organization". It certainly wasn't with Lisa McPherson, L Ron's wife or Son or even good 'ole bullshitter LRH himself. And let's not for a moment forget that Tom Cruise is a professional actor, how hard is it for him to come across as convincing. And believe me it is with utter despair I make that comment because prior to his mental breakdown, I really respected the guy. You know, if they really wanted to promote Scientology as a solid foundation for improving humanity, they would alter their tactics against those that speak out against the church. Let's be honest, an insecure person spends more time on the defensive than the offensive. When is the last time we saw Scientology on the offensive?

Stay away from Scientology, stay away from Scientologists, stay away from Dianetics, stay away from Tom Cruise, stay away from Scientology propaganda and find a faith or belief with a dedicated history and a sane support group. And preferably one that won't eventually land you in the poor house, the nut house or worse... DEAD!

Take care of yourselves, everyone!

GypsySlide

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hyoomen — Mon, 04 Feb 2008 03:48:03 EST

Minx: Nothing wrong with being self-serving. I'd argue that true happiness begins and ends with self-awareness in all its various forms (regardless of whether you blur your identity with some semblance of "I am you"). That having been said, rational self-interest and other philosophies similar to what you are alluding to do not require that people purchase the right to such knowledge, nor do they (generally) stem from a science fiction writer's inane ramblings.

The Unfunny Truth About Scientology

Go Anonymous, Go.

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Blackburn Lankershim — Sat, 02 Feb 2008 03:03:45 EST

I don't know what video y'all were watching, but he completely sold me. Someone must have suppressed your collective vicinity.

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IBoughtADog — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 01:11:16 EST

In a recent Fox News report, "The church said in a statement that it did not threaten Web sites or media outlets with lawsuits for posting the Cruise video."
[www.foxnews.com],2933,327387,00.html

I wonder how Gawker, YouTube, and many other sites threated with Copyright Infringement feel about this.

The Church of Scientology lies to you. Find the truth.

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Genjis-Bastard-Child — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 00:21:21 EST

I love Tom Cruise. He makes me feel so much better about myself. I'm not going to make any claims about what he is doing for the world, but he is certainly helping my self-esteem. I don't feel so bad about being a rural proletarian now, not after getting a clear view of the whole obsequious cultist thing.

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crassus1 — Thu, 31 Jan 2008 22:05:52 EST

I know many people are confused by Mr. Cruise's use of the English language. That is because Scientology "loads the language". Loading the languange is using a word, or words that mean something only to the people in the cult. I used the word cult because that is simply what Scientology is. The use all 7 steps used in brainwashing while "educating" their followers. This video proves how delusional they are. Scientology appeals to impressionable people who are not stupid. They read Dianetics and believe they have found some greater truth. Unfortunately there is not one original idea in the entire work. Read Aristotle, Plato, The Bible, The Koran..., then read this book. Do any of Mr. Hubbards ideas soud familiar, they should. It is scary, more so because it is on almost every college campus where kids are impressionable, and away from family. Hopefully this will enlighten America and it will begin the demise of this cult.

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ratava00 — Thu, 31 Jan 2008 20:49:15 EST

Tom crazy? Compared to what? George Bush?? Cheney?
Billy Graham? At least he isn't trying to tell you the way to escape the King's wrath is to show up covered with His son's blood. Encourage a fool in his folly that he might thereby become wise. Tom is still alive; no telling where this journey might take him. I still like him and I hope he goes ahead and gets everything they have to offer. Nobody is blowing up people in support of Scientology. There are way more crazy philosophies out there. Scientologists aren't trying to make women wear burkhas or killing infidels, at least, not yet.

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pandaman1982 — Thu, 31 Jan 2008 06:52:01 EST

My theory on the whole suri/hubbard sperm thing and her being a girl is that she's step 1. step 2 will be to impregnate her with hubbards sperm when she's older in an attempt to create the second coming of L Ron and stop xenu from throwing us all in volcanos and nuking us again.

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BenInBrooklyn — Wed, 30 Jan 2008 20:38:20 EST

"When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro."
- Hunter S. Thompson

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bglooney — Wed, 30 Jan 2008 14:25:05 EST

wwwwwwwwow!
Am I the only one who remembers his character in "Magnolia"? No wonder he nailed it.

It's amazing, I can't stand intollerant people who bag on others for their beliefs, but Scientology is an open bussleye imo. ANYONE who knows their CULT was founded by a hack Science Fiction writer, who was quoted as saying "Writing fiction for a penny a word is a waste of time, the real money's in religeon", and STILL goes into there indoctrination centers....Is either Crazy, stupid, or both.

THANKS FOR KEEPING THIS UP GAWKER!!

bglooney

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tigercheer — Wed, 30 Jan 2008 02:54:51 EST

Was anyone else as creeped out by the logo on the bottom right as I was? It's almost like some secret badge that only "invited" members can decipher. And I can't really believe that he's so intent on "helping" others when he lives in a sprawling, mega mansion and you constantly see him and Katie decked out in designer outfits. We also never hear stories about him donating money to needy children or going to third world countries like Brangelina. And I totally agree with the comment above about him and Katie being robots. Did you see Katie in that interview where they asked how Suri was? She gave a rehearsed-sounding answer, while most mothers would have completely gushed!

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JohnWoods — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 18:44:53 EST

I like Tom Cruise and his movies. But I also know that he couldn't be more on the wrong track than he is now. If, like Tom, you ever get involved with a person or group that says they have the answers, run the other way as fast as you can.

In the history of the world, the people who have caused the most problems are those who thought they had a pipeline to the truth. And those folks want to help you see the truth,but only they possess the tools and insight to help you--but what they really want is for you to see their truth, not your own.

It's kind of a shame Tom got ensnared in this nonsense. However, as with other fundamentalist types (and make no mistake, committed Scientologists are just another group of fundamentalists), they have to go through this experience to learn what doesn't work.

So Tom, if you're reading this, have fun and know that if you're lucky, one day you'll wake up and see this foolishness for what it is, and you'll be able to move on and be a heck of a lot happier person than you are now.

JohnWoods

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apikoros — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 06:50:48 EST

Please. You must see Cruise as being neurotically needy, so much so that he apparently has bought into this idiotic snake oil hook, line and sinker. It's not just a matter of amusement (although god knows it's funny) though; this demonstrates the kind of danger the religious con game/cult called Scientology presents. Any time otherwise intelligent people can be led in such a fashion, they become not just fanatics, but rather _dangerous_ fanatics.

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lickmybattery — Mon, 28 Jan 2008 23:39:45 EST

That made me cringe. Also, I found it bizarre how fake Cruise seems. There doesn't seem to be a shred of sincerity or credulity about him; it really looks like he's acting. I wonder if he's seen this video of himself and can see what a fool he comes across as. Probably not, he's probably too busy sitting in one of his mansions being all rich and deluded about how much the world needs his "help."

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Colonel-Neville — Mon, 28 Jan 2008 23:07:29 EST

Dear sports: If only Tom's Hollywood friends had decided on an 'intervention' 20 years ago!

"Now Tom. This is an Oscar. He is real. This is $20 million dollars. This is also real. This is a cartoon of a Thetan. This is NOT real".

But then, can you find many down to earth and true friends in Tinsel Town?

Out of the thousands of people Cruise 'knows', he ain't run into too many so far it seems, only more 'Invasion of the Body Snatchers' Scientologists.

'Tom is a completely sane and a normal guy'. John Travolta.

Tom Cruise: Our Best Messiah in Hollywood?

Anyway, what can ya do? Dig my feeble post on Tom at my shabby blog under 'Our Best man in Hollywood'

Colonel Neville.

Colonel-Neville

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smarmy-o-lita — Mon, 28 Jan 2008 20:57:14 EST

Is the "turtleneck noir" the de riguer outfit for Scientologists of haute couture these days?? It seems I seem to remember Travolta in the black "foreskin" whilst addressing people on the serious subject of "truth meters" at some point in time....

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HappyGilmore — Mon, 28 Jan 2008 19:13:24 EST

Wow, Im not sure I'll ever be able to sleep soundly again. Watching that video was like watching an horrific slo-mo car crash.

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darko714 — Mon, 28 Jan 2008 18:54:23 EST

He's boring and vapid. If he weren't an actor, he would be bagging groceries somewhere, and customers would smile back at him and nod their heads . . ."uh huh, okay Tom."

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smartster — Mon, 28 Jan 2008 17:12:15 EST

I thought only the United States military could bring peace and unite cultures.

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TexasBelle — Mon, 28 Jan 2008 14:32:34 EST

Is it just me, or did Tom not really say anything of substance? I mean, yeah, he does sound batshit crazy, but he just spouted a bunch of catchphrases.

TexasBelle

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something_something — Mon, 28 Jan 2008 12:05:59 EST

Is he discussing masturbation?

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grandenchilada — Mon, 28 Jan 2008 11:27:26 EST

I know I'm rather late for this but I think all this proves is that Cruise is a blathering fool. A gigantic idiot.

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mistermedley — Mon, 28 Jan 2008 03:14:51 EST

Hahaha, wow and he's not even high!

Unfortunately, Tom Cruise is just as crazy as the rest of the religious fanatics, for any religion. He's just singled out because he's a celebrity. However, it's completely ridiculous for him to actually believe he's the only one who can help. Being a giving, loving and caring person is everyone's responsibility, not just the Scientologists. Not to mention - any religion that gives an exlusive mansion called the Celebrity Center creates an atmosphere of being unequal... shouldn't everyone under a religion be considered equal? And spending tons of money on advancing is another outrageous notion... I guess it's easy to be such a great follower when you're rolling in money.

Tom, you're out of touch with reality. If you were really smart, you would realize these positive feelings of giving and education for the well-being of all people can come from within, not from religion. The space ship has landed, go phone home and shut the fuck up already.

mistermedley

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ivy22 — Sun, 27 Jan 2008 16:19:08 EST

this is beyond sad.
tom cruise has fallen so bad, it's not even funny anymore. now, i only turn 16 in a month but at least i know what i stand for and that life isn't a candy coated world and destiny doesn't just come when we call, it just happens.
for anyone who'd like to know what scientology is..
scientologists believe that a very long time ago there was a lord zeelon or zelor or some other sci-fi name with a 'Z'. now this lord what's-his-face captured all the aliens and killed them. but after they were killed, their souls rose up to the so-called heavens. but the lord z-something was prepared for this and had a 'soul catcher' built and captured all the alien souls. he then put all the souls in a chamber and brainwashed them with clips of religions and so on. he then set them free and they entered the bodies of neanderthals. and thats how we believe what we believe today. if you ask me.. thats absolute BS!
but hey, everybody has the right to an opinion. and to the right of speech.
but really. romp? play? say what?! this guy beats wacko jacko by far! if this guy contributed HALF the nannies and maids to single mothers with three jobs around the world, mabey, just MABEY the world would be a better place and there would be a little criminals on this earth.
it sure is frightening to see such a great man fall from grace. to think.. am i gonna end up like that someday? having the dream to become an actress. i mean, the man used to be star. he used to be such a hottie. but this. this scientology speech and jumping about on oprah's couch, that just makes him so unattractive. my heart goes out to that child of his. poor poor suri. well, this concludes my essay length 'comment'. ahahahaha heee hahahahahaHEhehahahaHA hehehehhahahaha!

ivy22

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trendart — Sun, 27 Jan 2008 15:06:55 EST

@Leiakat: OK, a fairly good over-view of "What Wrong with Tom?" Years ago, I actually knew a Scientologist (for him it started with being a science fiction fan in L.A.) who was Clear (as he put it. After a few years Jack still had enough sense to quit. Science fiction authors who knew Lafayette Ronald Hubbard personally told of conversations they had during writers' meetings in the late 1940s where he brought up the idea of religion as a con game (and one that was in fact created by a con artist, Jehovah's Witnesses.) He also alluded to the "fact" of "out-of-body" experiences while undergoing surgery in the Navy (during which he had been pronounced "dead".) This is supposedly where he got the idea of the Thetans, etc. However, if you read some of his pulp fiction (particularly the fantasy stories, rather than the SF), you'll note in FEAR (a novella) and others, the idea of Hyper-realities, etc. If Mr. Cruise hadn't been (I suspect) so frightened of seeing a real therapist during his early acting career, I doubt if he would've "sucked" into Scientology. I suppose he was frightened that his fans (& employers) would think he was mentally unstable (even then.) Of course, what do many people think now?

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no-body — Sun, 27 Jan 2008 13:06:03 EST

when he read the book - does he mean it was the only book he read? obviously, considering his eloquence.

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AxisDrummer — Sun, 27 Jan 2008 10:50:39 EST

Third Rate sci-fi author worship? That's where we are now? I didn't know how far this all went until recently. I thought it was basically a Tony Robbins type cult of people in need of self-help methods. Then I read the whole Xenu thing and now This?! They actually call him LRH? Wow, apparently a celebrity's need to feel special knows no bounds and is the perfect way to control them. Tom Cruise is a fucking scientology automaton because they give him a big ass medal and special "treatments" and a peek at the super-secret third grade level writings of a lunatic. I'm blown away. I'm starting a religion just for celebrities next week. They'll apparently fall for anything, I'll be a billionaire in no time.

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xiphoguy — Sun, 27 Jan 2008 00:25:53 EST

@MSBO: Yes, it IS whackier because it's Tom Cruise. And yes, it's no different than the Bible thumpers on TV. But it IS different from a religion that inspired great works of art or inspired people to sacrifice themselves for others, build hospitals, argue, work, and even die for peace.I don't see Tom or scientology doing that, and THAT's the difference, boatful of anilmals or not.

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xiphoguy — Sun, 27 Jan 2008 00:15:21 EST

What bothers me the most is not Cruise; he's a celebrity so he's out of the loop and should be considered such. What bothers me the MOST is hearing that damn "Mission: Impossible riff in 4/4 instead of 5/4 as Lalo Schifrin (and Dave Brubeck, who claims that it was stolen from) intended.

xiphoguy

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mabw — Sat, 26 Jan 2008 17:25:38 EST

Still looks and speaks better than Bush.

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Brickerage — Sat, 26 Jan 2008 16:16:36 EST

Halfway through the video:
Amazing reinactment of me staring at myself in the bathroom mirror on acid in '99
Its... its uncanny

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cookie3 — Sat, 26 Jan 2008 12:14:03 EST

I am applaud at Tom, he is such a intelligent man, no matter his profession. But in this video he sounds crazy. He sounds devil possessed. Scientology is the Devil's church. Tom I challenge you to take a deep look into what you have fallen into. I suppose you have thrown your Bible {if you ever had one} away. Well, take some of that money you giving to the devil and get you a new one. Read it, as if your life depended on it, 'cause in fact it does.

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theresaf1 — Sat, 26 Jan 2008 10:42:23 EST

I think he is on cocaine or some other mood altering chemical! He's all over the place with his self-centered, know-it-all, save-the-world comments. Get to the point, Tom! If you want to make a difference, speak in a language we can all relate to and then maybe you will have an impact.

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Lucy102060 — Sat, 26 Jan 2008 09:58:51 EST

Hey Scientologists:

If you packaged whatever it is that you all smoke: we wouldn't have any crime, wars, hate, etc. Wanna help, how about keepin' your crazies locked up and away from the rest of us!
PS: Run, Katie, run.....and take the baby with you!

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MissElaineous — Sat, 26 Jan 2008 09:01:03 EST

Boy, you should watch this video on dial-up mode. It doesn't load very well so it shows and freezes frames of Cruise's face. He IS insane. His eyes tell the whole rabid story. There is an deep, demonic quality to his stare. Try it, it's really eerie. Tom, forget about giving help, you desperately NEED help from real earthlings in white coats. You can survive this with a bit of exorcism. Call Father Damian.

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Cybersude — Sat, 26 Jan 2008 07:59:53 EST

Dorthy,

Haven't you been talked into believing in God?

Something different between Scientology and Christianity is that Scientology doesn't brainwash children.

Cybersude

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sarge3610 — Sat, 26 Jan 2008 02:45:48 EST

I know now that it's time to bring in the men with the little white coats that buckle up in the back after that piece of garbage. That is the sound of someone who has been brainwashed. The people that follow him also believe that Benny Hinn is for real, and that Big Bird is a real person. The followers of Charles Manson are in a cult, the followers of Jim Jones are in a cult, and now the followers of Sciencetology are in a cult. I have either destroyed or taped over all of the Tom Cruise movies that I had, and also did the same to any Travolta movies that I had also.

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m.laan — Fri, 25 Jan 2008 16:50:49 EST

i'm so pumped you keep this up gawker. Scientology blows. ksw

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EdwinJ — Fri, 25 Jan 2008 12:56:29 EST

Hmmm. He just seems nutty and wanting to help people. I still dislike scientology but this video is nowhere near as creepy as I had been led to belive.

*I want to help people.*

Wow, fear him now people! He wants to help you! Run!

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Kaitain — Fri, 25 Jan 2008 07:35:54 EST

I wonder how many of the people that think Tom Cruise is nuts are Christians or Muslim or believe in some other fairy tale religion.

If you believe in any religion you are just as big a nut job as Tom. Just because you're entire family, for generations, have been brainwashed into believing crazy fairy tales doesn't make you any better.

But isn't it just like all religions to point and laugh at someone else's crazy beliefs while simultaneously believing crazy stuff themselves, "You believe in a space alien and Thetans and such?! Ha! Everyone knows the only truth is the invisible man that lives in the sky."

"Faith is believing in something you know ain't so."
- Samuel Clemens

Kaitain

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Michelle4u — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 16:30:48 EST

Oh my. Ihave been by four accidents, stopped and helped. I feel silly I wasted my time since Scienpsychonists are the only people to help. Scienpsychonists are also the doers of peace? Than why does anything TC say promote hate, discrimination of other religions? Didn't Hitler feel he was superior? hmmmmm. Didn't he also say something about putting ethics or something like that into everything he does? Is that after he was married three times, fathered a baby out of wedlock? hmmmmm.

Excuse me, but the man is crazy as fooooooooock.

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tbizzone — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 15:26:33 EST

I truly believe Tom is in "it" to help everyone in the world with all of their problems. He has the superior alien intelligence, he just lacks the fame and fortune to be able to do anything about "it". Ohhhh if only you had some sort of star power or millions in the bank Tom, then you could truly help all those in need.
For now though, you will just have to settle for driving by accident scenes talking about what a great job you could have done (if only your chauffeur would have stopped).

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tbizzone — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 13:57:06 EST

I have to agree with Tom. If I am in an car accident, the last thing I want is some glib EMT trying to stop the bleeding or put me back together. I want Tom to rid me of those pesky thetans so I can have the knowledge and strength to fix myself (unlike the rest of you lazy sob's who refuse to preform complex medical procedures on yourselves).
After all, who is better trained to repair the complex biological organism that is the human body? A professionally trained emergency medical technician or the reincarnated soul of a billion year old space alien that was to stupid to avoid being thrown into a volcano?
Clearly the space alien.

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MSBO — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 12:54:52 EST

Can someone please explain this to me without jumping down my throat. I am just curious about the answer.

Since when is it strange to see someone be so passionate about their religion/beliefs? We see it every day on infomercials, the bible network (TBN), radio, everywhere. There are fanatics from every religion. Is this just more strange because it's Tom Cruise?

I guess there are some wacky beliefs in Scientology, but isn't the parting of the sea a little wacky too?
Or a huge boat full of animals?

Why is Scientology looked at so strangely? None of us have any idea of what the truth is. That is why it is a belief right?

This isn't a personal attack on any religion. I respect the fact that people are so passionate about something. Even Tom.

MSBO

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JDShadd — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 11:20:30 EST

OMG, he's just like Superman, with all the helping and fixing things! Except that he doesn't even have to go anywhere or do anything. Or identify actual problems. Or people.

I am, however, quite certain he is from an alien homeworld.

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doctorsdolittle — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 08:33:40 EST

This thing jumps round more than a jack in the box! Frankly the interview is cut up so bad its dizzying. this kind of editing makes me highly suspicious of the content! - sorry

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DRACULUS — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 06:30:43 EST

The force is strong with this one... that is, the drugs must be working REALLY well.

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heydeejay — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 02:30:56 EST

oh
my
GOD.
and could someone tell me what the fuck he is TALKING about? that guy's not on scientology. that is just some seriously mind-blowing WEED.
i have had that EXACT conversation with my toaster oven once waiting for toast to come out after i smoked a bowl of some killer weed. i sat there and i just could not complete a sentence but, by god, my toaster oven understood me. and when i got done telling my toaster oven all i knew about the universe, you know what it did? it produced a piece of fucking toast, by god! just made this little DING noise and when i reached in there, there that little piece of toast sat EXACTLY WHERE I HAD PLACED A PIECE OF BREAD JUST 2 MINUTES BEFORE! or, wait, was it 20 minutes before? or maybe two hours, hell i don't know - but the point is this: if you get really fucking high - and i mean REALLY high - you know the kind i'm talkin' about - so high that if you went for a walk, you couldn't find your way back to your own front door 20 minutes later - but you wouldn't care because you wouldn't be able to remember that you had LEFT your house and you wouldn't remember where you were GOING, or even what you just thought to yourself two mother-fuckin' SECONDS ago... so let's say you're this high and you're in your kitchen and you think "damn i sure would love some toast right now" and you put that bread in the toaster oven because last time you had toast, you SORT of remember something about it coming out of that square shiny silver thing...so there you are with your bread in the toaster oven and you start talking out loud. not to anybody in particular because you're home alone anyhow. but talking out loud sort of makes you feel normal for a second because you like the sound of your own voice and it seems familiar to you. so you're talking now, because, of course, you can't remember the point at which you STARTED talking, so you're probably in mid-sentence and you stop and think "what the fuck was i just talking about?" and then you think "i smell toast." and your eyes feel all heavy and burnt and itchy at the same time so you say something to the toaster oven about your eyes but that just confuses you so you try and remember why it is you're talking and all of a sudden you realize you sound JUST LIKE TOM CRUISE IN THAT WEIRD-ASS VIDEO YOU SAW ON THE INTERNET! and you know what? you're probably right. in your high-as-a-kite state, you have this HUGE epiphany that if you smoke enough dope, sit in front of your toaster oven and talk about nothing and sort of everything at once that you're making about as much sense as tom fucking cruise when he talks about whatever that religion thing is that he's involved in. and you know what happens next? the toaster goes DING! and your toast is ready. damn, is that deep, or WHAT?

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LexLufa — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 00:03:36 EST

I read the so-called controversial Andrew Morton book, found it very balanced and fair, but also telling it like it really is. Now, whether Morton spoke to any current Scientologists when writing this book or not is a moot issue, because the ones that were willing to be quoted that were once in the cult all seemed to say the same thing-that it's an extremely sinister organization, they spy on people, wire tap phones, intimidate and ruin anyone they perceive as a threat or against their cause and ideals. Cruise carefully was selected and targeted to be their highest profile spokesman. He is now spiting this garbage and can't seem it understand why people are fed up with him. His popularity took a 40% nosedive-which is why Sumner Redstone kicked him to the money curb. Notice that John Travolta keeps a much lower profile than Cruise? You never hear him spouting off about how great Scientology is. Travolta is much smarter than Cruise in this respect. No one seems to be irritated with him being a member. I found the book to be very informative, logical and insightful. And I was one a huge Cruise fan. I still think he's a very good actor, however, he has allowed this obsessive passion to impact his career negatively. Scientology would actually be better served by him keeping his misguided thoughts to himself. His self-arrogance and superiority is apparent and people are very turned off, thus, they now pass on his films, and that hits the bottom line. Folks who have even the slightest curiosity about Tom Cruise and why he is now off his rocker should read it. It clearly explains why Cruise thinks he exists on a plane far above other mortals. Sad.

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TheFallenOne — Wed, 23 Jan 2008 23:40:23 EST

CHA - CHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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jjana — Wed, 23 Jan 2008 23:03:56 EST

I did hang out around scientology in the late 70's. it was like one big acid trip, plus lots and lots of sex. Fortunately, I didn't have the tens of thousands of dollars they wanted to go 'clear'. I think i did level 1, but hey, it's all a blur. The creepiest thing is that years and years later, they contacted me out of the blue....on the day of my wedding(!). Totally wierd!

jjana

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jjana — Wed, 23 Jan 2008 23:00:23 EST

Stuff him into a volcano and blow him back where he came from. "An Et named Xenu was supposed to have gathered up all the overpopulation in this sector of the galaxy, brought them to Earth, stuffed them into volcanoes, and then exterminated them using hydrogen bombs. The souls of these murdered people are then supposed to infest the body of everyone. They are called "body thetans". On the advanced levels of Scientology a person "audits out" these body thetans telepathically by getting them to re-experience their being exterminated by hydrogen bombs. So people on these levels assume all their bad thoughts and faulty memories are due to these body thetans infesting every part of their body and influencing them mentally. Many Scientologists go raving mad at this point if they have not done so already." I think TC has reached this level.

jjana

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DeathbyKuvasz — Wed, 23 Jan 2008 21:32:49 EST

Thanks Tom, but were full up of crazy here, why don't you try next door.

Someone should have least wrote the poor guy a script. Hate it when actors try to talk without lines. "It was really, really, really real, you know what I mean?" Sentences, try them.

DeathbyKuvasz

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bluegecko — Wed, 23 Jan 2008 19:21:59 EST

First, what the hell is he talking about? It made absolutely no sense. Second, is he wearing blue eye shadow? It was very distracting and took away from his double chin in the turtle neck. Yuck.

bluegecko

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WriterWriter — Wed, 23 Jan 2008 16:07:38 EST

Weird. Just simply weird.

There are some great docs on Scientology out there. One, BBC production called Panorama, was great... exposed the 'church' leaders for the crap they get up to in order to supress by fear.

Link here: [video.google.com]

Wikipedia has a great explanation of the origins of this nutty sci-fi book gone live.
[en.wikipedia.org]

It is funny, but not surprising the number of 'celebridiots' who are attached to this weird CULT, including the not-as-larger-than-life Kirsty Alley... all seem to be quite surprised by the information that their 'religion' is founded on a science fiction novel about an alien invasion about 75,000 years ago...

Although they'd like to deny and surpress this info, the book, Dianetics, has a graphic (poor quality to be sure) of a volcano, where, according to L. R. was where all these aliens were sacrificed... this is after the sky god Xenu, found a location with 10 or more useable volcanos.... and then flew the poor outcasts there on DC-8 like craft....

CRAzY People for sure.
WriterWriter
www.stupid-files.blogspot.com

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momwithbrain — Wed, 23 Jan 2008 13:33:57 EST

If you're wondering where Tom learned to ramble on so eloquently, take a look at this quote from Ron L. himself:

"Well, I know this: that onto this planet there's a great deal of dumping has gone on. Stuff from the nearby galaxy -- not this galaxy but from the next galaxy over and so forth, is going on here. I know they take political prisoners and guys who they don't want around, but it's less personal than you think. They just have excess population so they start to get rid of their excess population, you see? They've got a revolt, or you're on the wrong side of a war, or something like that, and they pick you up in droves, and ice-cube you and throw you into a sea someplace.
I know this planet has been subjected to that and several planets in this immediate end of this galaxy have been subjected to that -- that I know."

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Apple_Orchard — Wed, 23 Jan 2008 13:13:06 EST

For the sake of argument, it looks like the vagueness in Cruise's rhetoric is not a mistake, but is rather quite deliberate. If Tom got too specific on examples of charity, heroism, and so on, he's risk being called on whatever specific thing he said that might be easy contradict. By staying vague, he's both protecting himself from naysayers (because they can't hit anything specific) AND appealing to prospective believers who'll likely find something appealing in the mass of vagueness - note the sense of empowerment, confidence, and vague feelings of goodwill towards humanity that he's projecting.
But there's little original about this. I have had some personal experience with a cult-like situation and I remember the vague arguments for the leader's supernatural powers I used to be told, over and over. They were vague enough that they were difficult to contradict logically but easy to embrace emotionally, as long as you didn't think too hard about them.
By the way, the numerous cuts and edits in this video may be exaggerating the vagueness by taking fragments out of context, at no complete fault of Cruise's.

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DominatingCraigslist.com — Wed, 23 Jan 2008 12:19:13 EST

I stopped listening after a few minutes into it, I was afraid that the MI theme might be hypnotic.

Anyone who's read "Influence: The Psychology of Persuasion by Robert Cialdini" can see how easy it is to fall into these cults. The need for humans to act consistently leads us astray sometimes when we are clearly being misled.

If what I wrote doesn't make sense, then take the book out of the library and read it.

DominatingCraigslist.com

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BlueFairy — Wed, 23 Jan 2008 08:39:26 EST

Crate new and better realities? Damn, I need to get me some of this Scientology shit. I've always wanted my own reality. There will be lakes of chocolate and mountains made out of marshmallows. So sayeth Me.

BlueFairy

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chriscoy — Tue, 22 Jan 2008 23:13:27 EST

Here's an excerpt from somewhere... google and read for yourself.

"At sea the cruelty extended to children. On one occasion, [L. Ron] Hubbard was infuriated by a small boy who had unwittingly chewed a telex.

HANA ELTRINGHAM: "He put this 4½ year old little boy - Derek Greene - into the chain locker for two days and two nights. It's a closed metal container, it's wet, it's full of water and seaweed, it smells bad. But Derek was sitting up, on the chain, in this place, on his own, in the dark, for two days and two nights. He was not allowed to go to the potty. I mean he had to go in the chain locker on his own, soil himself. He was given food. And I never went near it, the chain locker while he was in there, but people heard him crying. That is sheer, total brutality. That is child abuse."
"

Screw Scientology and Cruise, both.

chriscoy

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context — Tue, 22 Jan 2008 21:14:14 EST

Talk about someone trying to convince himself he's not only not gay, but is also not insane and living a life of deep meaning.

context

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mcammer — Tue, 22 Jan 2008 20:52:46 EST

His schtick in Magnolia as the men's group guru was better.

mcammer

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Obviously Not Omniscient — Tue, 22 Jan 2008 19:31:36 EST

Is Heath Ledger's OD a Scientology diversionary tactic?

Obviously Not Omniscient

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UWSDave24 — Tue, 22 Jan 2008 15:23:57 EST

Before we get too jocular about this, Google "Lisa McPherson" and see what's at the top of the page--"Lisa McPherson Memorial Page: killed by the Church of Scientology." Read on, and don't forget her or what these creeps did to her.

UWSDave24

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trstn — Tue, 22 Jan 2008 09:51:15 EST

You could swap out the word Scientology for Christianity or any other religion you choose and it'd be the same message. Be good to the world, be the best person you can be and help people better themselves too. Become the change you wish to see in the world = great message, I don't know much about Scientology but I don't see the reason everyone's deriding this video. I've had long conversations with Christian friends about Jesus walking on water and rising from the dead - as a none believe i thought they were mental - but because Christianity's been controlling people for 2000 years it's acceptable?

trstn

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germanguy — Tue, 22 Jan 2008 03:51:47 EST

Too much power for such a small intellect - we Germans had that already and nobody needs that again. For many years I didn't buy fruits of Chile or South Africa and batteries made by Union Carbide or car stereo sets by ITT and and and... My life becomes easier now: I just will not watch the Valkyrie movie or any other Tom Cruise product again. And I will not believe, that I can reach a higher level of whatsoever by farting and barking. Thanx for reading and thinking. And thanx for a lot of brilliant comments on this side.

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Christof60 — Tue, 22 Jan 2008 00:22:44 EST

@DorothyZbornak: Yeah, just like the Pentecostals believing that God talks directly thru them in a special language, or Catholic Bishops traveling to some stupid latin country to verify as "authentic" some taco that has the virgin mary on it, or a macarena doll that cries blood... Yeah, call them a cult, but every religion is a cult, filled with idiots that will believe what they are told..

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bbqdhampster — Mon, 21 Jan 2008 22:51:21 EST

...Wow. I just spent 20 minutes reading your comments. Some of you preach that everyone should be allowed to have their own beliefs.
...You are out of your minds. These people are dangerous to the point of death.
...Honestly, they will sue you into bankruptcy if you oppose them.
...They will do much more. The have restrained people in basements. Locked them in cages. Tied them to beds.
Broke into houses. Stolen Government records. Subverted the law and much much more.
...To those of you who feel bad that your CULT is spoken ill of: There are pages and pages of information all over the internet full of proof that this is not only a CULT but that your CULT uses intimidation and that the information collected in the use of the e-meter is used as blackmail against anyone who decides that they want out.
...You think that the E-meter has value. You are right. It's value is in helping gather information about every who is "cleared". That information is held in Mountain vaults in Arizona to used against you in the event that you decide to leave the CULT.
...Everthing you have ever learned while in the CULT is a lie.

bbqdhampster

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tholin — Mon, 21 Jan 2008 22:33:01 EST

Matt and Trey so nailed him. Probably keeps his jogging suit and black Nikes in a ready bag.

tholin

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bbqdhampster — Mon, 21 Jan 2008 22:16:02 EST

... Until this hour I had never heard of Gawker. You folks have guts. This is the heart of free speech. Don't back down from these CULT Nazies. I am eager for the truth as are most other readers. Money and power should not suppress knowledge.
... This thing is laughed at now. It should be killed before it becomes accepted. These people are another form of NAZI. They suppress. They oppress. They have blood on their hands. They have already have in place placed doctrine which allows them to do anything they want to. Anything. Implied killing as well as bankrupting anyone who questions them or their motives.
... This NAZI cult has achieve tax exempt status as a church because they have infiltrated the IRS and other government offices. They have removed unfaverable files from ongoing investigations.
...They are liars! THIS CULT WILL KILL YOU !

bbqdhampster

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JanonESUS — Mon, 21 Jan 2008 20:32:27 EST

I'm sure most of you are aware of the Anonymous declaration of action against the cult. It is currently underway, try to check out the Co$ main page lulz!.

Anyway, anyone know what's up with Digg and YouTube comments popping up with "[This comment has been removed due to a claim of copyright infringement by...]" yada yada? What exactly is being infringed and removed in these comments?

JanonESUS

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ginhut — Mon, 21 Jan 2008 19:13:42 EST

I am not that big of a Tom Cruise fan, but I am not sure why he is so "crazy" in this video? He clearly is heavily involved in something he is passionate about. If you watch the video and imagine he is talking about saving the environment, or perhaps even "reborn" and getting involved with a Christian religion, it wouldn't seem abnormal to anyone. He is simply excited and wants to share it with others, why is that so wrong? I kept waiting for him to to talk about aliens from the way this video was hyped up(and the annoying music loop). Personally, I am an atheist and do not look down upon others if they have a different belief system than my own. This just seems to be the exact same thing that any fanatical religious individual or advocate would sound like if they really cared about what they are talking about. As a culture, we expect our icons not to have a life of their own. Others on this board keep referencing his "roles". Come on! He is NOT those people no matter how much we want him to be. I am actually impressed he shares his life with the public instead of a typical Hollywood star who needs to stay private. Just keep in mind, if you ever become passionate about something (no matter how "crazy" it may seem) you don't want to have others throw stones at you.

ginhut

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Obviously Not Omniscient — Mon, 21 Jan 2008 18:42:22 EST

@TheUsedVersion: I like my commentary in the new version.

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getmethebutter — Mon, 21 Jan 2008 14:49:55 EST

Coupl'a little glimpses into CruiseLand:

1. Neil Strauss's "The Game" (about pickup artists) has a very interesting chapter in which TC asks NS to do an interview of him based on his NYTimes article about the pickup world. Cruise basically tries to convert him (to no avail, Jehovah Be Praised!). The guy manifests all the hallmark behavior of the cult member, as this video demonstrates.

2. An absolutely brilliant essay by Sarah Vowell (of NPR fame) in her book called "The Partly Cloudy Patriot." In something like 8 pages, she nails TC completely. And it has nothing to do with Scientology, either. It's just a brilliant piece of interpretation based on his films. A must read.

Here's the question I would love Cruise to answer: What's your annual paycheck from the Church of Scientology? Of course, since they're a "religion," they don't have to tell anyone a word about it. C'mon Tom, what's your paycheck, dude?

getmethebutter

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BalknChain — Mon, 21 Jan 2008 13:13:46 EST

@TheUsedVersion:
Dear The Used Version/Chris Crocker,
I was certain today was basket weaving day at the farm, not letter writing day. Anyway,people who sit here and comment about people who sit here and say he is crazy and do nothing but complain about things like this; in my view are truly disgusting to me are truly disgusting to me.
Keep bringing the gold. And I want my basket.
Sincerely,
BnC

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TheUsedVersion — Mon, 21 Jan 2008 11:12:14 EST

What is the big deal with this video? Not once did I think that Tom was acting crazy. I mean you are only seeing the answers to the questions and it seems like there is a lot of editing going on in this video. Who cares if Tom wants to believe in Scientology? It doesn't infringe on you or your beliefs in any way, does it? So leave the guy alone. People who sit here and say he is crazy and do nothing but complain about things like this; in my view, are truly disgusting to me.

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Spinnerover — Mon, 21 Jan 2008 11:10:36 EST

Also, I tried Scientology back in the 80's when I lived in N Hollywood. I worked my arse off for a week and they paid me $30 for about 60 hours of work and told me that the bulk of my earnings went to the greater cause and as I worked my way up I would make more. Total BS.

Spinnerover

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Spinnerover — Mon, 21 Jan 2008 11:07:27 EST

Tom, you haven't done everything you can possibly do. I need about 50K. Please email me for the info on where to send the money so you can be more fulfilled in knowing that you have helped someone.

Spinnerover

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BalknChain — Mon, 21 Jan 2008 08:56:21 EST

@theobviouschild: Sometimes you feel like a nut; sometimes you are the nut. He is the Scarlett to my Woody, uh, wait..what..?
please enjoy ScienTomogy
[wwwkewgrluv.blogspot.com]

BalknChain

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rusmate38 — Mon, 21 Jan 2008 02:10:06 EST

What was all the talk about "romping and playing" and one is "either in or out?' Is the jury still out on his sexuality? I'm pretty sure I know what the shrinks would say, course that's why he wants them out of the stadium.

rusmate38

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dearpepe — Mon, 21 Jan 2008 01:48:50 EST

some years ago i picked up the scientology bible, Dianetics...i just couldn't get into it. over the years, with all the hoopla about Cruise, I am interested in learning more, as it seems to be very secretive, it's hard to take a serious look at it, as someone might a valid spiritual/religious option. i've always liked Cruise, no matter the fair weather fans. he's entitled to believe whatever and have his own opinions. once upon a time people thought New Age and fringe thinking people were fruits, flakes and nuts. Now we've stopped throwing rocks and believe in spirituality more than ever before, we speak of zen, feng shui, buy beads, know a bit about other forms of thinking outside the box. Once upon a time people also thought the world was flat and that hosing down children on the streets of the South was just the way it was, and holding hands and singing Kumbaya was crazytalk. It would be better all around if Cruise would stop sabotaging what he believes to be an option, by downgrading it to a cult by the secrecy. There will always be critics. You can't hide and expect them to go away. The rule of law is that the more you hide, the more some seek, it's inversely proportional, and just as filled with mold if left in the dark. If Cruise is a leader, he's not acting like one. You don't have to run. Or be cowed by fear of being outwitted by scholars, you don't have even have to answer critics. If you believe, that's all you need. If a group can't step up and believe out loud, shut the hell up about making me a believer, or having faith in your group. I'm mostly agnostic, but not so arrogant as to believe people know everything we should know about everything in the universe. We can't possibly know, and we may never understand let alone articulate complexities. I can not tell you how the hell a plane stays in the air, but I take my seat just the same, and have faith. I don't know how some people are born twins and can be in sync with the other who's miles away. So if someone sat me down and tried to explain, I think I'd listen, even if I still did not understand, and had faith in some truths of what they said. Same thing with religion, whatever happened to religious tolerance and freedom of religion and expression? scientology might not be popular or the answer for everybody. apparently it is for some, and so what if it's not what someone else would choose for themselves. in the end maybe that's what free will is about. maybe there is no one "right" religion, answer or spiritual truth. something to believe in is anybody's call. you do not have to be particularly smart, scholarly or anything else, you can just believe, unapologetically. and you don't have to explain or defend yourself or your position to anybody, or fight on 'their' turf. you don't have to.
i've seen many people caught up in their own religion--hypocritical or not, scripted or not, fervor, fanatical and otherwise.
cruise is just like anybody looking for his answer(s), a way though life. meaning and purpose. fellowship. i don't care if he believes in martians, or the power of his convictions that the world needs help, and he's going to come up with his own way to be a part of the solution instead of part of the problem. Anyone or group that wants to be part of the solution to human conditions with acts of kindness or whatever, more power to them, not ridicule. In the end it's less about who's right or wrong or thinking outside the box, than who's trying to help.

dearpepe