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		    <description><![CDATA[<P>Hey I know I'm a little late here but I just found out that this call got posted.  Thanks for posting Rebecca.  I'm not sure who that maggi person is but I have no idea why she is saying that I "peddle" these calls around.  I sent this call in twice because a friend suggested I do.  I have never sent in any of the telemarketing calls that I have anywhere ever before.  Also, to say that I make a hobby of recording, "nervous or unprepared telemarketers" is kind of nuts right?  I mean if anything I'm the one who's unprepared.  They are calling me at home.  I've always said that if telemarketers don't like calling me they should feel free to stop at anytime.  I also tell them that the call is being taped a lot of the time.  Usually they then ask me why I'm taping it and I say, why not?  Then they continue with their sales pitch.  Everyone seems to be having a great time.  <BR>
So anyway, rebecca if you read this - thank you again for posting it.</P> <p>taper</p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<P>Does that mean the NYT is just a bizarre lefty/Palestinian vanity project, with the added side benefit of declining ad revenue and hemoraging shareholder value and a patently unfair two-tier stock system?</P> <p>Canoehead</p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<P>Not being from New York, I did not know there was a "newspaper" worse than the NY Compost.</P>
<P>@<A href="#c4910390">Dr_Doofus</A>: <I>Of course, if you subtract all the lies and left-wing bias from the NYT, it would be about 24 pages too.</I></P>
<P>Why aren't you in Iraq if you consider the NYT to be "left wing"?</P> <p>KJones</p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<P>It's funny that he says, "If you don't like it, give me a call, say, 'Angelo, I don't like this paper, it's not an asset, it's a liability.'"</P>
<P>Am I confused? Can a Newspaper be a "liability"?</P>
<P>Also - The guy on the phone is crackin' me up!!</P>
<P>"I kinda like the New York Times. Can you send that? Can you just send the first 24 pages of the New York Times? I'll just pay you for 24 pages."</P>
<P>Amazing.</P>
<P>"I'm giving up on the news."</P>
<P>Yes.</P> <p>RGISMYFAVORITECANADIANMORMON</p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<P>"All the News That Will Fit in 24 Pages"</P> <p><a href="n/a">econdave</a></p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c4911156">DanCooper</a>:  Seconded, for several reasons. First, I'm guessing this recording landed in the Tips Inbox the other day from a musician named <a href="http://www.teddygoldstein.com/music.html">Teddy Goldstein</a>, who peddles it around every six months or so, hoping for some sap to take the bait. Goldstein makes a hobby of recording nervous or unprepared telemarketers and then posting them on his website. This particular clip is from a recording made several years ago, Rebecca, which you would have known if you'd read the item we did back then on the call. Second, lambasting a newspaper for being a homeless shelter for unemployed New York writers? Well, there goes that bridge. Thirdly, say what you will about the Sun (and I've said plenty, both during and after my three years working there), but DanCooper is spot on, and it's a little hard to reconcile this post with the number of <a href="http://gawker.com/372913/smoking-ban-making-new-york-dangerously-fat-uncool">times</a> Gawker has <a href="http://gawker.com/370735/the-return-of-the-b+boy">linked</a> to the <a href="http://gawker.com/370586/deep-thoughts">Sun</a> in the <a href="http://gawker.com/5004105/one-of-the-devils-own-nights">last</a> two weeks-<a href="http://gawker.com/5004035/even-filthy-french-shocked-by-spitzer">so far</a>, I count <a href="http://gawker.com/5003915/roundup-entire-city-falling-apart">six</a>.</p> <p><a href="http://">Maggie</a></p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<p>"It's similar to the New York Times."<br>
Well, do you have <i>their</i> number?</p>
<p>Advertising rule #1: <b>Never</b> mention your competition by name.</p> <p>doctor_cos</p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<P>Out of curiosity how do you change the font when trying to leave a comment on consumerist or on Gawker?</P> <p>kalmakazee</p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<P>This video is HILARIOUS!! LMFAO!! I love the way the guy asks the telemarketer to send out 24 pages of the NY Times instead, lol.</P>
<P>How are they going to get all the news into the NY Sun? Is it just news and no sports, classifieds, and other crap?</P>
<P>Even at a quarter, the New York Sun is tough sell. The paper is such a joke we don't even make it fun of it.</P>
<P>I love the way that the person Rebecca who wrote the article is making fun of the NY Sun and can't speaker proper English herself.</P>
<P>Out of curiosity how do you change the font when trying to leave a comment on consumerist?</P> <p>kalmakazee</p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<P>This video is HILARIOUS!! LMFAO!! I love the way the guy asks the telemarketer to send out 24 pages of the NY Times instead, lol.</P>
<P>How are they going to get all the news into the NY Sun? Is it just news and no sports, classifieds and other crap?</P> <p>kalmakazee</p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<p>As someone who's been known to print out articles from the Yiddish edition of the <i>Forward</i> to read while using the elliptical machines at the gym, I have an obvious tolerance or taste for "doomed" or "not long for this world" Jewish periodicals.</p>
<p>I don't have a good feel for the <i>New York Sun</i>'s perceived hyper-Zionism because, to the extent that I read it, I do so in the context of reading a lot of other Jewish publications, like <i>Ha'aretz</i> and the <i>Jerusalem Report</i>, for whom Israel's survival being paramount is a given.</p>
<p>But I'm puzzled by this:</p>
<p><i>"The</i> [New York Sun] <i>is such a joke we don't even make fun of it. ..."</i></p>
<p>You seem to be saying that no one reads the <i>New York Sun</i> while at the same time seeking congratulations for the generosity of spirit you demonstrate by not "making fun" of it.</p>
<p>What sort of points are there to be scored by not making jokes that <i>no one</i> will get?</p>
<p>Isn't the list of publications you might regard as too obscure for ridicule somewhat long?</p>
<p>And were the <i>New York Sun</i> as laughably inconsequential as you present it to be, then <i>why</i> bother bringing it up in the first place?</p> <p>Hamud Ibn Hamud</p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<p>Rebecca, you now officially join the ranks of dumb bunnies at Gawker. There are excellent news people at the Sun. I know some of them. The fact that Seth and Ira are neocons and that the whole thing is a vanity project for Michael Steinberg doesn't mean you are smarter or hipper than the slaves there. In fact, you are stupid.</p> <p>DanCooper</p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<P>"Even at a quarter, the New York Sun is tough sell. The paper is such a joke we don't even make it fun of it."</P>
<P>Um...was this written in a language other than English orginally? "Make it fun of it"? "New York Sun is tough sell"?</P>
<P>Hulk smash!</P> <p>TruPhan</p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<p>I used to read the NY Sun when the newspaper was newly "revived" (definitely nothing like its predecessor penny press paper) and cost 25 cents.</p>
<p>At first, it seemed like a promising paper, but later on, it lost its appeal. When they raised the price to 50 cents, that was the perfect excuse for me to stop reading it.</p> <p><a href="n/a">azntg</a></p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<p>Of course, if you subtract all the lies and left-wing bias from the NYT, it would be about 24 pages too.</p> <p>Dr_Doofus</p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<p>"It's only 24 pages." Now that's quite a selling point.</p> <p>Carol Gardens</p>]]></description>
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